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Subject: Re: A Critic against Public Burning of young Talents in Computerchess

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 07:40:30 05/12/05

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On May 12, 2005 at 06:16:29, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On May 11, 2005 at 22:29:40, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>Enjoy life and just read what you want to read and enjoy the people that you you
>>like to be with.  Life is too short for anything else.
>
>Mike, you are a very wise man.
>
>
>
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Michael
>>
>>ps  Thank you and Martin for Arena - the best free chess product made thus far
>>in this century!
>
>I must say this to the benefit of science. Nobody ever has researched the source
>code of ARENA.

Not so.  I have gone through the string table for Arena.  It is written in
Delphi, so it could port to UNIX using Kylix.
Here is the list of dlls and binaries referenced:
\pifmgr.dll
\system32\pifmgr.dll
_isdel.exe
accuclck.exe
advapi32.dll
arena.exe
Av_BookBuilder.exe
BLDINDEX.exe
BookBuilder.exe
BookEdit.exe
cb3dviewer.exe
comctl32.dll
comdlg32.dll
CTL3D32.DLL
DGTEBDLL.DLL
dos4gw.exe
ELOStat.exe
explorer.exe
gdi32.dll
gnuchesr.exe
GradualTest.exe
HolmesCfg.exe
IMM32.DLL
install.exe
InstallCC.exe
kernel32.dll
notepad.exe
oleaut32.dll
PSAPI.dll
regedit.exe /s
Restarter.exe
RICHED32.DLL
setup.exe
shell32.dll
Speedtest\gtest.exe
start MSINFO32.exe
tail.exe
timeseal.exe
timestamp.exe
uninstall.exe
user32.dll
vcltest3.dll
winboard.exe
winmm.dll
winmsd.exe
wsock32.dll


You can see all the custom controls and the formats and pretty much everything
about the organization.  Arena does not contain amazing new algorithms or
anything like that.  What Arena represents is thousands and thousands of
man-hours of incredibly tedious GUI work.

>So far. I just want to mention that during the Patriot debate in
>other fora there were opinions that the authenticity of many other software was
>never analysed. Simply because nobody had access to the specific products. This
>is the same for professional products in computerchess and also for such FREE
>works like Arena. What we do know is that the main pieces of computerchess
>programming have been used by almost all prtogrammers. There nobody would claim
>the term fraud.
>
>I finish this message with the hint, that in Franks Quisinsky's News pages he
>presents an interview with the programmer Fabien T. of the alleged original of
>Patriot 2. The interview was led shortly before the Patriot 2 debate came up. I
>can only say that Fabien gave very interesting comments on that topic of copying
>certain contents of programming a chess software! He can't see the problem...!
>But we here produce a public withch-burning. I'm still against such public
>attacks against young talents, no matter how wrong they are. Criticising Hsu, a
>veritable academic, or attacking Bob, a veritable Professor in Computer
>Sciences, this is a completely different thing like to bury the young man from
>Bela-Russia. Please excuse my emotional appeal.

Patriot has NOT been proven a clone.  There is compelling evidence to suggest
that it MIGHT be.

In the case of Patriot, I think that there is special concern since it is sold



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