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Subject: Re: Basics of Programming Computerchess and Forbidden "Cloning"

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 16:15:52 05/12/05

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On May 12, 2005 at 19:00:23, Uri Blass wrote:

>On May 12, 2005 at 18:43:54, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On May 12, 2005 at 18:26:32, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On May 12, 2005 at 18:20:12, Robert Hollay wrote:
>>>
>>>>  When you buy Delphi, you automaticaly get rights to use certain libraries
>>>>in your CLOSED SOURCE projects. Whereas with GNU GPL licence (Fruit)
>>>>you have rights to modify the sources, but they must remain open.
>>>>  On the other side, I'm not sure that making chess engines open source was a
>>>>good practice. People could share ideas, algorithms, code samples, etc... but
>>>>when
>>>>a magician reveals ALL his tricks to the public, then the magic disappears ...
>>>
>>>Which is (of course) a good thing.
>>>
>>>>Computer chess is a hobby, a game, a competition, and not so vital to the
>>>>human race that one is supposed to share all his secrets with others.
>>>
>>>The algorithms of chess are benefical for many things.  It is an abstract search
>>>of a complicated solution space.  There are many tasks in life that can use the
>>>same ideas.
>>>
>>>>Exactly these little secrets can make it exciting!
>>>
>>>Hiding information is for lazy people.  C. A. R. Hoare inveted a sort routine
>>>called quicksort a while back.  He showed other people how to do it.  What an
>>>evil man?!
>>>
>>>>  And just one more thing. If you place a well-laid table full of delicious food
>>>> in the centre of a city full of starving people, then you shouldn't expect
>>>>that the table remains untouched ... maybe in fairy tales!
>>>
>>>If you publish a book, you should expect people to steal it then?
>>>
>>>>Robert
>>
>>
>>If you've read a book full of smart ideas, is it your position that you are NOT
>>allowed to use the new ideas in your own work? I don't understand why you read
>>books at all, if that should be your position.
>>
>>The same is it if you use parts of open sources which have impressed you in your
>>own work.
>>
>>Dann, before I ask some more questions to your other message, could you give me
>>your opinion about the following?
>>
>>Are you absolutely sure that for example SHREDDER, to take just the actually
>>best program, is absolutely without any ideas or code from such open sources?
>>Even I as lay can imagine that someone with enough talents could hide or
>>re-write such code to make him appear innocent. And to the best of my mind I
>>didn't hear about a human being other than Stefan who has seen Stefan's code.
>>
>>I do NOT claim that SHREDDER contains any forbidden parts. My question was if
>>you could prove if there were such code.
>>
>>What do readers think about it?
>
>
>I think that it is impossible to prove that shredder does not contain forbidden
>parts and that people can have enough talent to appear innocent.
>
>This is the reason that a lot of people are against open source code chess
>programs.

Those people are nitwits.



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