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Subject: Difficult Hydra position follow-up, 36.Kh1

Author: Eelco de Groot

Date: 11:26:41 05/15/05


Hello all,

I am testing some Pro Deo 1.1 settings in a position that

Vincent Lejeune posted here a few weeks ago, between the

Hydra-Scylla version that's going to take on Michael Adams, and

a testversion(?) of Shredder. Hydra played the pawn sac, I

think it is a strategic pawn-offer, 35.b4!


Now my testversion wants to play 36.Kh1 after the reply

35..Qb6. Shredder accepted the pawn with 35..Qxb4 but that

seems not so good. That the Pro Deo testversion plays 36.Kh1 may be a fluke, I
am testing
[Pruning = MISC_58]             * Recalculate passed pawns
[M58_Table = normal]            * normal|midg|endg|strong
(Albert Silver didnt'entirely trust this switch)

I was wondering, are there any

engines/programs that consistenty play 36.Kh1? The alternative,

also good is 35.b4 Qb6 36.c5. I think 36.Kh1 will be harder to find,

strategic, but rather deep! -Writing this, I see that Gandalf

just comes up at ply 15 with a score of 0.83 for 36.Kh1!-

[D]r3r1k1/1p3pp1/pqbp1b1B/4n3/1PPN4/7P/2BR1QP1/5RK1 w - - 1 1

Gandalf 6.1 output in two variation mode, computer is 'mainframe'

Athlon 3200+ 200 MB HT


00:00:00.0	-0,38	4	17314	Nxc6 Qxf2+ Rdxf2 bxc6

Be4
00:00:00.1	-0,57	5	50211	Nxc6 Qxf2+ Rdxf2 bxc6

Be4 Rab8
00:00:00.1	-0,57	5	54628	c5 dxc5+
00:00:00.2	-0,38	5	63914	c5 dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5

Nc4
00:00:00.3	-0,54	6	137741	c5 dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5

Bh4 Qxh4 Qxh6
00:00:00.7	-0,54	6	283752	Rdd1 Qbxb4
00:00:00.9	-0,54	6	341263	c5 dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5

Bh4 Qxh4 Qxh6
00:00:01.3	-0,54	7	497374	c5 dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5

Bh4 Qxh4 Qxh6
00:00:02.9	-0,51	8	1173630	c5 dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5

Nc4 Rdd1 Rad8 Rxd8 Rxd8
00:00:08.2	-0,19	9	3338510	c5 dxc5
00:00:10.5	0,12	9	4182343	c5 gxh6
00:00:12.3	0,44	9	4927476	c5 Qxb4 Qg3 Kf8 Rxf6

gxh6 Qf4 Qxc5 Qxh6+ Ke7
00:00:22.7	0,28	10	9786274	c5 dxc5 Qg3 cxd4 Rxf6

d3+ Rdf2 g6 Bxd3 Rad8 Be4 Rd1+ Kh2 Qxb4
00:00:32.0	0,28	10	14417204	c5 dxc5 Qg3

cxd4 Rxf6 d3+ Rdf2 g6 Bxd3 Rad8 Be4 Rd1+ Kh2 Qxb4

00:00:00.2	0,54	5	32242	dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5 Bh4

Qxh4 Qxh6
00:00:00.3	0,54	6	75864	dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5 Bh4

Qxh4 Qxh6
00:00:00.6	0,51	7	201913	dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5 Nc4

Rdd1 Rad8 Rxd8 Rxd8
00:00:02.1	0,19	8	808739	dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5 Nc4

Rdd1 Rad8 Rxd8 Rxd8
00:00:02.5	-0,12	8	939111	dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5 Nc4

Rdd1 Rad8 Rxd8 Rxd8
00:00:02.8	-0,25	8	1085370	dxc5 Qg3 cxd4 Rxf6 d3+

Rdf2 g6 Bxd3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Be4 Rxb6 Bxd3 Rxb7
00:00:04.3	-8,99	8	2003851	gxh6 cxb6 Bg7 Nxc6 bxc6

Rxd6 Rab8 Bd3 Re6 Rxe6 fxe6 Bxa6
00:00:04.4	-8,99	8	2068257	Qxb4 Nxc6
00:00:08.4	-0,44	8	3573443	Qxb4 Qg3 Kf8 Rxf6 gxh6

Qf4 Qxc5 Qxh6+ Ke7
00:00:10.7	-0,28	9	4545580	dxc5 Qg3 cxd4 Rxf6 d3+

Rdf2 g6 Bxd3 Rad8 Be4 Rd1+ Kh2 Qxb4
00:00:16.0	-1,12	9	6681133	Qxb4 Qg3 Nf3+ Nxf3

Qxc5+ Rff2 Bb5 Rxd6 Re2 Rxf6 Qxf2+ Qxf2 Rxf2 Kxf2 gxf6
00:00:21.5	-0,28	10	9022819	dxc5 Qg3 cxd4 Rxf6 d3+

Rdf2 g6 Bxd3 Rad8 Be4 Rd1+ Kh2 Qxb4

00:00:00.2	-0,38	4	27419	Nxc6 Qxf2+ Rdxf2 bxc6

Be4
00:00:00.2	-0,38	4	30005	c5 dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5

Nc4
00:00:00.3	-0,57	5	59867	Nxc6 Qxf2+ Rdxf2 bxc6

Be4 Rab8
00:00:00.3	-0,38	5	65754	c5 dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5

Nc4
00:00:00.5	-0,54	6	137696	c5 dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5

Bh4 Qxh4 Qxh6
00:00:00.5	-0,96	6	156546	Nxc6 Qxf2+ Rfxf2 Nxc6

b5 axb5 cxb5 Re1+ Kh2 Be5+ Bf4
00:00:00.9	-0,95	6	307606	Kh1 Nxc4+
00:00:01.4	-0,57	6	575052	Kh1 Nxc4 Bxg7 Nxd2 Qxf6

Bxg2+ Kxg2 Nxf1 Kxf1 Qxb4
00:00:01.6	-0,57	6	626691	Rdd1 Qbxb4
00:00:02.1	-0,57	6	863774	Kh1 Nxc4 Bxg7 Nxd2 Qxf6

Bxg2+ Kxg2 Nxf1 Kxf1 Qxb4
00:00:02.5	-0,54	7	1000417	c5 dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5

Bh4 Qxh4 Qxh6
00:00:03.2	-0,32	7	1280449	Kh1 Nd7 Nxc6 Qxf2 Rfxf2

bxc6 Bf4 Re1+ Kh2
00:00:05.5	-0,16	8	2285688	Kh1 Nd7 Qf5 gxh6 Qh7+

Kf8 Qxh6+ Ke7 Nf5+ Kd8 Nxd6 Re6
00:00:05.9	-0,51	8	2449954	c5 dxc5 Nxc6 Qxc6 bxc5

Nc4 Rdd1 Rad8 Rxd8 Rxd8
00:00:15.0	0,00	9	6035132	Kh1 Qd8 Nf5 Re6 Nd4 Re8
00:00:19.8	0,25	9	7896528	c5 dxc5 Qg3 cxd4 Rxf6

d3+ Rdf2 g6 Bxd3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Be4 Rxb6 Bxd3 Rxb7
00:00:22.4	0,25	9	9136491	c5 dxc5 Qg3 cxd4 Rxf6

d3+ Rdf2 g6 Bxd3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Be4 Rxb6 Bxd3 Rxb7
00:00:24.3	-13,24	10	9985232	Qh4 Bxh4 c5 Qxb4 Bf4

Qxc5 Kh1 Bd5 Nf5 Bf6
00:00:26.3	0,28	10	10975504	c5 dxc5 Qg3

cxd4 Rxf6 d3+ Rdf2 g6 Bxd3 Rad8 Be4 Rd1+ Kh2 Qxb4
00:00:35.7	0,28	11	15763937	c5 dxc5 Qg3

cxd4 Rxf6 d3+ Rdf2 g6 Bxd3 Rad8 Be4 Rd1+ Kh2 Qxb4
00:00:36.7	-13,37	11	16203447	Qh4 Bxh4 c5

Qxb4 Bf4 Qxc5 Kh1 Qc4 Rdd1 Rac8 Be3
00:00:36.7	-13,37	11	16216146	Kh1 Qd8
00:08:11.4	0,41	11	374904130	Kh1 Qd8 Nxc6

bxc6 Qg3 Kh8 Rdf2 Rg8 Be3 Bh4 Rf5 g6
00:09:52.7	0,54	12	433889859	Kh1 Qd8 Nf5 Re6

Qg3 Ng6 Rxd6 Qe8 c5 Re2 Rf2 Rd8
00:10:18.3	0,60	12	444724295	c5 dxc5 Qg3

cxd4 Rxf6 d3+ Rdf2 g6 Bxd3 Qd4 Bc2 Kh8 Kh2 Qxb4
00:13:02.0	0,76	13	518110433	c5 dxc5 Qg3

Nf3+ Nxf3 cxb4+ Kh2 Bc3 Rd6 Rad8 Rxd8 Rxd8 Bg5 Re8 Qh4 Qc7+ Kh1
00:13:43.5	0,32	13	534818737	Kh1 Qd8 Nf5 Re6

Qg3 Qf8 Nd4 Bh4 Nxe6 Bxg3 Nxf8 Rxf8 Bf4 Nxc4 Rd4
00:21:11.3	0,76	14	729620197	c5 dxc5 Qg3

Nf3+ Nxf3 cxb4+ Kh2 Bc3 Rd6 Rad8 Rxd8 Rxd8 Bg5 Re8 Bb3 Be4 Bf4
00:29:29.7	0,35	14	1066575742	Kh1 Qd8 Nf5 Re6

Qg3 Qf8 Nd4 Bh4 Nxe6 Bxg3 Nxf8 Kxf8 Bf4 Nxc4 Rd4 Bxf4 Rfxf4
00:43:45.5	0,35	15	1444486180	c5 dxc5 Qg3

Nf3+ Nxf3 cxb4+ Kh2 b3 Rd6 Bb2 Bf5 Rad8 Rfd1 Rxd6 Rxd6 Kf8 Rd2

Bxf3 Rxb2 Qxh6 Qxf3
01:00:29.7	0,83	15	1981941583	Kh1 Qd8 Qg3 Kh8

Nxc6 bxc6 Rdf2 Rg8 Qf4 Rb8 Qe4 Ng6 Qxc6 Rxb4 Bxg6 gxh6 Rxf6

Rxg6 Rxf7
01:10:30.9	0,83	15	2258174444	Kh1 Qd8 Qg3 Kh8

Nxc6 bxc6 Rdf2 Rg8 Qf4 Rb8 Qe4 Ng6





[Event "60m + 15s, rated"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.04.22"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Ares01, Hydra/Scylla-1.05bC"]
[Black "tsteng, Deep Shredder 9 UCI"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B58"]
[WhiteElo "2889"]
[BlackElo "2747"]
[PlyCount "107"]
[EventDate "2005.01.02"]
[EventType "rapid"]

1. e4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} c5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 2. Nf3 {[%emt

0:00:00]} d6 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 3. d4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} cxd4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 4.

Nxd4 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Nc3 {[%emt 0:00:00]}

Nc6 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 6. Be2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} e5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 7.

Nf3 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} h6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 8. O-O {[%emt 0:00:00]} Be7

{[%emt 0:00:00]
} 9. Re1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} O-O {[%emt 0:00:00]} 10. h3 {[%emt

0:00:00]} Be6 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 11. Bf1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qa5 {[%emt 0:00:00]}

12. a3 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} Rfc8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 13. Rb1 {[%emt 0:00:00]}

Nb8 {
[%eval 9,17] [%emt 0:03:33]} 14. Be3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nbd7 {
[%eval 22,18] [%emt 0:05:53]} 15. Nd2 {[%eval -6,18] [%emt

0:02:19]} Nf8 {
[%eval 5,17] [%emt 0:00:06]} 16. Nb3 {[%eval 2,17] [%emt

0:02:51]} Qc7 {
[%eval 5,15] [%emt 0:00:31]} 17. f4 {[%eval 0,18] [%emt

0:01:46]} Bd7 {
[%eval -16,15] [%emt 0:02:08]} 18. Bd3 {[%eval 22,16] [%emt

0:02:40]} Bc6 {
[%eval 2,16] [%emt 0:02:59]} 19. Qf3 {[%eval 24,17] [%emt

0:03:03]} Re8 {
[%eval 25,17] [%emt 0:03:51]} 20. Rbd1 {[%eval 31,16] [%emt

0:01:36]} a6 {
[%eval 4,16] [%emt 0:02:34]} 21. Re2 {[%eval 15,15] [%emt

0:01:31]} exf4 {
[%eval -7,16] [%emt 0:01:06]} 22. Qxf4 {[%eval 25,17] [%emt

0:01:57]} Ng6 {
Ares01 reconnected. [%eval -6,17] [%emt 0:00:00]} 23. Qf3 {
[%eval 28,18] [%emt 0:01:49]} Ne5 {[%eval -5,15] [%emt

0:01:36]} 24. Qf2 {
[%eval 28,18] [%emt 0:01:36]} Bd7 {[%eval 0,15] [%emt 0:00:23]}

25. Rf1 {
[%eval 22,17] [%emt 0:02:09]} Bd8 {[%eval 5,16] [%emt 0:00:15]}

26. Nd4 {
[%eval 20,16] [%emt 0:04:07]} Qb6 {[%eval 1,17] [%emt 0:01:59]}

27. b3 {
[%eval 26,16] [%emt 0:01:20]} Qa5 {[%eval -58,16] [%emt

0:01:27]} 28. Nd5 {
[%eval 21,17] [%emt 0:00:52]} Nxd5 {[%eval -12,15] [%emt

0:02:12]} 29. exd5 {
[%eval 13,18] [%emt 0:00:01]} Qxd5 {[%eval 7,16] [%emt

0:03:19]} 30. Bf5 {
[%eval 16,17] [%emt 0:01:23]} Bf6 {[%eval 7,16] [%emt 0:01:54]}

31. Rd2 {
[%eval 20,16] [%emt 0:01:13]} Bc6 {[%eval -10,16] [%emt

0:00:26]} 32. c4 {
[%eval 33,17] [%emt 0:01:19]} Qa5 {[%eval -3,17] [%emt

0:01:41]} 33. Bc2 {
[%eval 48,18] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qxa3 {[%eval 1,16] [%emt

0:01:39]} 34. Bxh6 {
[%eval 68,16] [%emt 0:01:17]} Qc5 {[%eval 0,16] [%emt 0:00:00]}

35. b4 {
[%eval 50,16] [%emt 0:01:38]} Qxb4 {[%eval 79,16] [%emt

0:07:18]} 36. Qg3 {
[%eval 105,16] [%emt 0:01:46]} Bf3 {[%eval 71,15] [%emt

0:00:00]} 37. gxf3 {
[%eval 107,17] [%emt 0:02:18]} Qxc4 {[%eval 65,15] [%emt

0:02:12]} 38. Bb3 {
[%eval 199,17] [%emt 0:01:24]} Qc5 {[%eval 110,15] [%emt

0:01:08]} 39. Kh1 {
[%eval 249,17] [%emt 0:00:14]} g6 {[%eval 161,16] [%emt

0:01:45]} 40. Nf5 {
[%eval 288,17] [%emt 0:00:01]} Rad8 {[%eval 154,13] [%emt

0:00:27]} 41. Bd5 {
[%eval 358,16] [%emt 0:01:03]} Qb5 {[%eval 207,12] [%emt

0:00:50]} 42. Rfd1 {
[%eval 448,17] [%emt 0:01:11]} Qd7 {[%eval 579,16] [%emt

0:04:50]} 43. Nxd6 {
[%eval 514,20] [%emt 0:00:02]} Kh7 {[%eval 645,16] [%emt

0:01:50]} 44. Nxf7 {
[%eval 522,20] [%emt 0:00:01]} Qf5 {[%eval 645,15] [%emt

0:00:33]} 45. Nxd8 {
[%eval 543,19] [%emt 0:02:33]} Kxh6 {[%eval 623,19] [%emt

0:00:00]} 46. Nxb7 {
[%eval 575,18] [%emt 0:01:05]} Qg5 {[%eval 644,18] [%emt

0:00:00]} 47. Qf2 {
[%eval 608,18] [%emt 0:01:25]} Qh5 {[%eval 621,15] [%emt

0:00:48]} 48. Nd6 {
[%eval 602,18] [%emt 0:00:48]} Rd8 {[%eval 607,13] [%emt

0:00:12]} 49. Qe3+ {
[%eval 705,16] [%emt 0:01:13]} Kg7 {[%eval 662,16] [%emt

0:00:00]} 50. Qa7+ {
[%eval 720,16] [%emt 0:01:12]} Kh6 {[%eval 619,15] [%emt

0:00:53]} 51. Be4 {
[%eval 720,17] [%emt 0:00:57]} Rxd6 {[%eval 758,13] [%emt

0:02:41]} 52. Rxd6 {
[%eval 810,17] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qxh3+ {[%eval 805,15] [%emt

0:00:46]} 53. Kg1 {
[%eval 842,17] [%emt 0:00:03]} Nxf3+ {[%eval 831,15] [%emt

0:01:55]} 54. Bxf3 {
Tsteng,Deep Shredder 9 UCI abandonne  (Lag: Av=1.05s, max=7.1s)

[%eval 1120,
15] [%emt 0:00:44]} 1-0

 Eelco

I couldn't resist posting this result, the first testposition tried:

Pro Deo 1.1 Betazoid T9i2 met
[Pruning = MISC_58]             * Recalculate passed pawns
[M58_Table = normal]            * normal|midg|endg|strong
en
[Pruning = MISC_38]             * New capture extension

after 34..Qc5:

00:00:00.2	0,08	1	1461	Be3
00:00:00.2	-0,10	2	1814	Be3 Ng6 Nxc6 Rxe3
00:00:00.2	0,08	2	2890	Nxc6 bxc6 Qxc5 dxc5
00:00:00.2	-0,46	3	6067	Nxc6 Nxc6 Qxc5 dxc5 Bf4

Bd4+
00:00:00.2	-0,46	3	7407	Be3
00:00:00.2	0,22	3	7604	Be3 Ng6 Ne6
00:00:00.2	0,28	4	14264	Be3 Qb4 Nxc6 bxc6 Qg3
00:00:00.2	-0,01	5	26676	Be3 Ng6 Nxc6 Rxe3 b4
00:00:00.3	0,08	6	105065	Be3 Qa3 Nxc6 bxc6 c5 d5

Qg3
00:00:00.6	0,23	7	372556	Be3 Qa3 Nf5 Rad8 Nh6+

Kf8 Qg3
00:00:01.0	0,29	8	884805	Be3 Qb4 Nxc6 bxc6 Qg3

Kf8 Rxf6 gxf6 Bh6+ Ke7 Bf5 Qc5+
00:00:02.5	0,27	9	2701434	Be3 Qb4 Nf5 Rad8 Bb6

Rd7 Rfd1 Re6 Ng3
00:00:06.2	0,25	10	7265663	Be3 Qb4 Nf5 Rad8 Rfd1

Re6 Qf4 b6 Be4 Qxb3
00:00:17.9	0,19	11	22891199	Be3 Qb4 Nf5

Rad8 c5 d5 Nd6 Re6 Bd4 Ng6 Bxg6 fxg6
00:01:13.1	0,29	12	93190519	Be3 Qb4 Rdd1

Rab8 Qg3 Nd7
00:01:58.1 (!!)	0,33	12	151692980	b4 Qb6 Kh1 Nd7

Qf5
00:03:14.3	0,33	13	254025061	b4 Qb6 Kh1 Nd7

Qf5
00:09:55.0	0,41	14	777175291	b4 Qb6 c5 dxc5

Qg3
00:39:51.6	0,61	15	3090193648	b4 Qb6 Kh1 Qd8

Qg3






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