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Subject: Re: Winning against a CCP in Playchess at 3 min. is NO joke

Author: Thomas Mayer

Date: 06:08:10 05/17/05

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Hi Jonas,

> Post some of your wins with standard time control (where the computer gives
> up or get's mated) and let's talk.

I do not have the games, but I think Pablo has them. He has even beaten Hydra at
60+0... Also on time. And he has done several draws in longer time controls with
his playing system.

What he shows to us is, that mankind can still find ways to beat the engines,
there are enough backdoors left. They must just be discoverd.

E.g. look at Kurt Utzingers games. Of course his tactics is not as extreme, but
he also tries to close up the position. And with that he achieves several draws
against almost all strong programs. As far as I know his Elo is also below
2000...

Now you can make any conclusion out of that you want, but in fact I am pretty
sure that chess engines are not yet as strong as one thinks. The only problem
why they look so strong against humans is, that especially the strongest players
have not tried yet systems like Kurt or Pablo use. Quit possible that they do
not like that style. This might change when it gets financially interesting for
them, so far they earn there money in games against humans and not against
computers.

Greets, Thomas



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