Author: Darrel Briley
Date: 08:57:42 05/19/05
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On May 19, 2005 at 09:31:45, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>A historical instant also for me: In Blitz 10m + 0s I won against Fritz 8 !
>
>(Ein historischer Augenblick auch für mich: Ich besiegte Fritz 8.0026 ohne meine
>Dame, im Blitz 10m + 0s!)
>
>Unbelievably but true!!
>
>(Unglaublich aber war, (ich habe es Pablo R. nachgemacht)
>
>Posting with Screen (German: ich hatte genug Zeit es zu kopieren), see here:
>
>http://f27.parsimony.net/forum67838/messages/601.htm
>
>My Game in PGN:
>
>[Event "Blitz:10'"]
>[Site "Privat"]
>[Date "2005.05.19"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Nemeth, Eduard"]
>[Black "Fritz 8.0026"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "A45"]
>[Annotator "Nemeth,Eduard"]
>[PlyCount "284"]
>[TimeControl "600"]
>
>{64MB, Fritz8.ctg, P3 600} 1. d4 {0} Nf6 {0} 2. f4 {(c4) 2} d5 {0} 3. c3 {
>(e3) 1} Bf5 {-0.47/12 47} 4. e3 {(Sf3) 6} e6 {-0.47/10 13} 5. Qd3 {(Db3) 5}
>Bxd3 {-6.06/10 4} 6. Bxd3 {2} Nbd7 {-6.09/11 9} 7. Nf3 {4} Ne4 {-5.97/12 15} 8.
>O-O {6} f5 {-6.06/12 19} 9. Re1 {(c4) 5} Qf6 {-6.31/10 13} 10. Re2 {(c4) 1} Be7
>{-6.50/10 10} 11. Nbd2 {(c4) 1} O-O {-6.65/11 18} 12. Nf1 {(c4) 5} c5 {
>-6.81/10 12} 13. g3 {(c4) 2} c4 {-7.15/10 11} 14. Bc2 {1} b5 {-7.22/10 10} 15.
>a3 {(Tg2) 1} a5 {-7.47/10 12} 16. Bd2 {(Tg2) 1} Qh6 {-7.53/9 8} 17. Kg2 {11}
>Qh5 {-7.53/9 0} 18. Ree1 {14} a4 {-7.40/10 0} 19. Re2 {(Ld1) 5} Rf6 {
>-7.65/10 16} 20. Bd1 {2} Rh6 {-7.65/9 7} 21. Rc1 {(Lc1) 3} Rf8 {-7.84/8 8} 22.
>Rc2 {(Le1) 1} Ndf6 {-7.78/9 12} 23. Be1 {(Lc1) 1} Bd6 {-7.72/10 9} 24. Bd2 {
>(Se5) 30} Ng4 {-7.75/9 11} 25. Bc1 {5} Be7 {-7.75/10 6} 26. Kg1 {3} Qg6 {
>-7.53/10 5} 27. Rg2 {(Se5) 1} Rb8 {-7.50/11 13} 28. Rce2 {(Se5) 1} Rh3 {
>-7.47/10 7} 29. Rc2 {(Se5) 1} Rf8 {-7.50/11 11} 30. Rce2 {(Se5) 3} Rf7 {
>-7.53/10 9} 31. Rc2 {(Te1) 1} Bf6 {-7.47/10 7} 32. Rce2 {1} Rh6 {-7.53/10 5}
>33. Rc2 {(S1d2) 1} Rf8 {-7.43/11 7} 34. Rce2 {(Se5) 1} Rh3 {-7.47/10 6} 35. Rc2
>{(Se5) 1} Bd8 {-7.50/11 8} 36. Rce2 {(Se5) 1} Qh6 {-7.47/10 7} 37. Re1 {2} Be7
>{-7.47/11 6} 38. Ree2 {(Se5) 1} Rf7 {-7.47/10 8} 39. Rc2 {(Se5) 3} Rf6 {
>-7.50/10 5} 40. Rce2 {(Se5) 1} Qh5 {-7.50/10 6} 41. Rc2 {(Se5) 1} Qg6 {
>-7.43/10 8} 42. Rce2 {(S1d2) 1} Kh8 {-7.47/9 5} 43. Rc2 {(S1d2) 2} Rf8 {
>-7.50/11 6} 44. Rce2 {(Se5) 1} Rb8 {-7.18/10 6} 45. Rc2 {(Se5) 1} Rc8 {
>-7.43/10 5} 46. Rce2 {(Se5) 1} Kg8 {-7.40/10 7} 47. Rc2 {(Se5) 1} Qh5 {
>-7.50/9 4} 48. Rce2 {(Se5) 3} Rd8 {-7.47/9 5} 49. Rc2 {(Te1) 1} Qg6 {-7.43/10 6
>} 50. Rce2 {(Se5) 1} Rh6 {-7.50/9 5} 51. Re1 {(Se5) 1} Rf8 {-7.40/9 5} 52. Ree2
>{(S1d2) 1} Qh5 {-7.50/9 3} 53. Re1 {(Se5) 1} Qh3 {-7.34/9 3} 54. Ree2 {(Se5) 1}
>Rg6 {-7.47/8 3} 55. Rc2 {(Lc2) 2} Qh6 {-7.50/9 4} 56. Rce2 {(Se5) 1} Rgf6 {
>-7.40/10 6} 57. Re1 {(Se5) 1} Qh3 {-7.37/10 4} 58. Ree2 {(Se5) 1} R6f7 {
>-7.40/9 4} 59. Re1 {1} Qh6 {-7.40/9 3} 60. Ree2 {(S1d2) 1} Rd8 {-7.40/10 6} 61.
>Re1 {(S1d2) 1} Rff8 {-7.37/9 3} 62. Ree2 {(S1d2) 1} Qh3 {-7.43/9 3} 63. Rc2 {
>(Se5) 1} Rde8 {-7.43/9 3} 64. Rce2 {(Se5) 1} Qh5 {-7.37/9 3} 65. Rc2 {(S1d2) 1}
>Qh6 {-7.25/9 4} 66. Rce2 {1} Rc8 {-7.15/8 2} 67. Re1 {1} Qh3 {-7.00/8 1} 68.
>Ree2 {(Le2) 1} h6 {-7.06/9 4} 69. Rc2 {(Te1) 3} Bd6 {-7.12/9 3} 70. Rce2 {
>(Se5) 1} Qh5 {-7.25/8 2} 71. Re1 {(Tc2) 1} Rc7 {-7.25/8 5} 72. Ree2 {(S1d2) 1}
>Be7 {-7.28/8 3} 73. Re1 {(S1d2) 1} Bf6 {-7.18/8 2} 74. Ree2 {(Le2) 1} Rb7 {
>-7.25/8 3} 75. Re1 {(S1d2) 1} Rbb8 {-7.09/7 3} 76. Ree2 {(S1d2) 1} Be7 {
>-7.22/9 3} 77. Re1 {1} Bd6 {-7.03/8 3} 78. Ree2 {(S1d2) 1} Rbd8 {-7.28/8 3} 79.
>Re1 {(S1d2) 1} Rd7 {-7.15/8 3} 80. Ree2 {(Se5) 1} Rb7 {-7.25/8 3} 81. Re1 {
>(S1d2) 2} Rb6 {-7.18/8 4} 82. Ree2 {(Se5) 1} Be7 {-7.15/7 1} 83. Re1 {1} Bf6 {
>-7.18/8 1} 84. Ree2 {(S1d2) 1} Rf7 {-7.18/8 3} 85. Re1 {(S1d2) 1} Rbb7 {
>-7.15/8 2} 86. Ree2 {(S1d2) 0} Rfd7 {-7.31/8 2} 87. Re1 {1} Rdc7 {-7.09/8 2}
>88. Ree2 {(Se5) 1} Rb6 {-7.18/9 4} 89. Re1 {1} Rb8 {-7.00/7 1} 90. Ree2 {
>(Se5) 1} Rf7 {-7.18/8 2} 91. Re1 {(S1d2) 9} Rbf8 {-7.12/8 1} 92. Ree2 {(S1d2) 1
>} Rd8 {-7.28/8 2} 93. Re1 {(Se5) 1} Rff8 {-7.18/8 2} 94. Ree2 {(S1d2) 1} Qh3 {
>-7.22/8 2} 95. Rc2 {(S1d2) 1} Rb8 {-7.12/9 2} 96. Rce2 {(Se5) 1} Rbc8 {
>-7.12/7 1} 97. Re1 {(Se5) 1} Qh5 {-6.97/8 2} 98. Ree2 {(S1d2) 0} Rce8 {
>-7.22/7 1} 99. Re1 {(Se5) 1} Ra8 {-7.03/7 1} 100. Ree2 {(Se5) 1} Be7 {-7.22/8 2
>} 101. Re1 {1} Bd6 {-7.03/7 0} 102. Ree2 {(Se5) 1} Rf6 {-7.18/7 1} 103. Re1 {
>(S1d2) 1} Rb8 {-7.09/6 1} 104. Ree2 {(Se5) 1} Be7 {-7.31/6 1} 105. Re1 {
>(S1d2) 1} Rd8 {-6.97/7 2} 106. Ree2 {(Se5) 5} Bd6 {-7.22/7 1} 107. Re1 {
>(S1d2) 1} Rf7 {-7.12/6 1} 108. Ree2 {(Se5) 6} Re7 {-7.28/6 1} 109. Re1 {(Se5) 3
>} Ree8 {-7.09/7 1} 110. Ree2 {(Se5) 1} Rb8 {-7.18/7 1} 111. Re1 {(Se5) 1} Bc7 {
>-7.06/7 1} 112. Ree2 {(Se5) 1} Red8 {-7.22/7 1} 113. Re1 {(Se5) 1} Bd6 {
>-7.25/6 0} 114. Ree2 {(Se5) 1} Be7 {-7.31/6 0} 115. Re1 {(S1d2) 0} Bf6 {
>-7.15/6 0} 116. Ree2 {(Se5) 3} Rbc8 {-7.28/6 0} 117. Re1 {(Se5) 3} Qh3 {
>-6.87/6 0} 118. Ree2 {(Tc2) 1} g6 {-6.84/7 1} 119. Re1 {(Se5) 3} Bg7 {-6.84/5 0
>} 120. Ree2 {(Se5) 1} Rf8 {-7.15/6 0} 121. Re1 {(Sh4) 1} Rcd8 {-6.93/6 1} 122.
>Ree2 {(Se5) 1} Rfe8 {-7.18/6 1} 123. Re1 {(Se5) 0} Kh7 {-6.93/6 1} 124. Ree2 {
>(Se5) 1} Rf8 {-7.22/6 0} 125. Re1 {(S1d2) 0} Rg8 {-6.93/6 1} 126. Ree2 {
>(S1d2) 1} Rde8 {-7.15/6 0} 127. Re1 {(S1d2) 0} g5 {-6.97/6 1} 128. Ree2 {
>(Se5) 1} Qh5 {-7.06/6 1} 129. Re1 {(S1d2) 1} Ref8 {-7.03/5 0} 130. Ree2 {
>(S1d2) 1} Bf6 {-7.06/6 1} 131. Re1 {(S1d2) 1} Rg6 {-6.97/5 0} 132. Ree2 {
>(S1d2) 0} Kh8 {-7.12/5 0} 133. Re1 {(S1d2) 0} Rgg8 {-7.09/5 0} 134. Ree2 {
>(S1d2) 0} Rg7 {-7.22/5 0} 135. Re1 {0} Kg8 {-7.09/5 0} 136. Ree2 {(Se5) 0} Qh3
>{-7.15/5 0} 137. Re1 {(S1d2) 1} Be7 {-7.12/5 0} 138. Ree2 {(S1d2) 0} Rff7 {
>-7.22/5 0} 139. Re1 {(S3d2) 1} Bf8 {-6.97/5 1} 140. Ree2 {(S1d2) 0} Bd6 {
>-7.18/6 1} 141. Re1 {(Se5) 0} Bc7 {-7.00/5 0} 142. Ree2 {(Se5) 0} Bb8 {
>Time -7.18/5 0} 1-0
>
>It was no Joke!
>
>(German: Nur wenige Versuche waren nötig, kein Witz)
>
>EN.
I recall first becoming involved with computer chess about 1980 or so; I played
a dedicated unit at the time. It was a small portable unit sold by Radio Shack
(Tandy). It had no opening book, could not even play the simplest of endgames,
and would play the same game over and over, if you repeated the same moves.
Despite these weaknesses, it was still tactically rather strong.
Of course it's easy to imagine that it didn't take long to figure out how to win
against it by playing off any of the above mentioned weaknesses. But of course
it would become a boring, repetive enterprise by doing so. While the weaknesses
you and Pablo prey upon are different, it is still the same.
One would think you'd become bored with it rather quickly, but apparently not.
I've heard insanity described as repeating the same actions over and over and
expecting a different result, but I suppose this doesn't apply here, as the end
result of the "antichess" method doesn't vary much. But let me ask, do you feel
your "experiments" are making you a better chess player? That's why I play, to
create and to learn. Why do you fellows play?
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