Author: Evgenii Manev
Date: 08:49:46 05/21/05
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hi Rolf thanks for the post regards, Geno On May 21, 2005 at 11:15:39, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >At first let me state that I am very pleased when I see with how much politeness >and therefore silence the message by Eduard was taken. Decent human beings >anyway would never throw stones, words, sarcasms on people like Eduard. I want >to thank you all! > >Let me then add a little explanation for the actual case. Such things happen at >times in such internet fora. > >First of all thank you to all English native speakers. The main reason for such >misunderstandings and emotional reactions is lying in the language itself. >Eduard doesn't speak English and all translation routines can't tell him the >original content, not to speak about the intentions of it. > >But there is a genuine computerchess topic or problem hidden behind the Eduard >topic. And this is why also in German speaking groups people get angry at Eduard >from time to time. Now this is the main point here: > >There's a mixed two-sided aspect that might confuse people. Ed is a marvelous >chessplayer, he's an expert player, no master or GM of course. But at his >strength you know almost all about chess - while the difference to the giants is >mainly the genius of the masters. But they also play the same tech as Eduard is >using it. Now the double twilight. Eduard thinks that he's giving the >programmers insight into their program's playing so that they could improve. >However, now the backside, Eduard willy nilly is presenting his reports with the >attitude that computerchessprograms are stupid, IF you follow the style of >Eduard or others. -- > >Such an approach will never lead to a close relationship between programmers and >their claque, mainly the freaks in our field. You feel yourself insulted and >abused, if you are presented as representative of dumbness. > >Many experts in chess, and above all, the real genial masters, simply show only >contempt for such "strategies" of anti-computer style. Simply because it would >insult their whole chess understanding. Only the truth is that with such a tech >you can outplay computers. To be able to beat a machine with normal chess, you >must be a Kramnik or take any favorite among the top notches in chess. You can't >hope to win against a machine except in a lucky punch in 1 out of 100 gaqmes. >However with the carefully reseached anti-style you can well outplay even the >strongest machine players. All depends of your preparation. > >Now - believe me one thing. Eduard isn't a cheater! It wouldn't make sense if he >were. The only thing he seems to have forgotten is the basic difference between >home-made analyses in your own kitchen and playing chess in public. A private >game doesn't become public chess if it's published! For generations so to speak >a smart chess freak in Germany publishes his actual wins against the actual top >machine progs. Of course always with White and always in less than 30 moves and >always with many sacs in attacking the Black King! It's nt cheated, but it's not >average public chess either! > >The experts in chess and computerchess know about this difference. They know all >the weaknesses of machine chess too. > >Now why Eduard can't be of great help for the programmers?? > >The answer is easy: > >Even with hundreds of Eduard advices and games machine chess couldn't be >programmed like human chess! This is what Eduard, beyond his great chess >talents, is completely missing. If however Eduard would play a public match, and >the truth is Eduard always dreamed of such an event, the programmers would >simply tune their prog AGAINST Eduard! And Eduard could no longer play his usual >chess. But with "normal" chess Eduard would be much too weak! Already in the >openings he would be outplayed if he hasn't by chance his favorites. This is >exactly the difference between a 2200 player and a master. The masters have >brains like enzyclopedies. Plus their own analyses. If Eduard had such a talent >he would be expert but master himself. The rest is a delusion. The delusion that >passive understanding is the same as active capacities to play GM chess... > >Now my top moral for us all! > >We all, as we like chessplaying, are dreamers in its positive sense, like >Eduard. We all think that we could play like the big ones, if we only had the >chance to participate in such a tournament or event. Because we see the position >and we would also make the same move that won the game for Kramnik!! But as >Tartakower the great psychologist already has said: I could also find all that >what Alekhine does - BUT if I only had the chance to have such positions in my >own games!! > >I beg you all here in CCC to enjoy the performances of Eduard and giving him all >the applause he deserved from time to time. And please don't become bitter, if >you discover a little delusion here or there. I mean, we are all humans, and who >is without any thinkable faults?? > >Please! > >I wish you all a good weekend, in special to Eduard, Ede, lass dich nicht >beirren, regards, >Rolf > >P.S. >Thanks to the mods for NOT overreacting. > > >GENS UNA SUMUS
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