Author: chandler yergin
Date: 09:55:53 05/21/05
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On May 21, 2005 at 12:42:28, chandler yergin wrote: >On May 21, 2005 at 03:45:24, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On May 21, 2005 at 02:56:15, chandler yergin wrote: >> >>>On May 20, 2005 at 20:29:38, Terry McCracken wrote: >>> >>>>On May 20, 2005 at 19:46:19, chandler yergin wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 20, 2005 at 03:41:59, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 20, 2005 at 03:37:46, jefkaan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>oops, small addition..: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 20, 2005 at 03:31:01, jefkaan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>with Moore's law, it might take only a few hundred >>>>>>>>years to solve chess. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>of course i mean chess+, >>>>>>>that is chess without the 50 move draw rule. >>>>>>>with that rule chess probably is a draw. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>unequal bishops and so on spoil the game. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>but without the 50 move rule there might be a connection >>>>>>>between 'best' opening lines and winning endgames >>>>>>> >>>>>>>not impossible; anyone who thinks differently >>>>>>>may challenge my opinion without throwing insults, >>>>>>>thx in advance >>>>>>>jef >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I already did, look above. IMO you have to disprove chess is a draw...too much >>>>>>evidence to the contrary. >>>>> >>>>>Proving once again.. you don't know! >>>>>The 'evidence' is against your position! >>>>>The facts are against your position! >>>>> >>>>>Based on 1,114,334 Games >>>>>1-0 413,652 games = 34% >>>>> >>>>>1/2 1/2 381,463 games or 35% >>>>> >>>>>0-1 318,393 Games or 28% >>>>> >>>>>You have NO argument or point! >>>> >>>>Would you quit arguing with me when I already asserted chess is a draw!! >>> >>>You can't prove it, Computers can't prove it, and the evidence of millions >>>of games does not confirm it. >>> So you can yell, whine, pout, & assert all you want. >> >>Oh get off it Chan...if God played God it would be a draw. You'll have hard >>proof someday, but you'll likely be dead! >But there is enough data to acertain >>chess is almost certainly a draw. More typical Terry NONSENSE! So please don't be such a mule. Hee Hawww You are disconnected from Reality! http://stuffo.howstuffworks.com/first-time.htm?referer=chess1.htm In this tree, there are 20 possible moves for white. There are 20 * 20 = 400 possible moves for black, depending on what white does. Then there are 400 * 20 = 8,000 for white. Then there are 8,000 * 20 = 160,000 for black, and so on. If you were to fully develop the entire tree for all possible chess moves, the total number of board positions is about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000, or 10120, give or take a few. That's a very big number. For example, there have only been 1026 nanoseconds since the Big Bang. There are thought to be only 1075 atoms in the entire universe. When you consider that the Milky Way galaxy contains billions of suns, and there are billions of galaxies, you can see that that's a whole lot of atoms. That number is dwarfed by the number of possible chess moves. Chess is a pretty intricate game! No computer is ever going to calculate the entire tree. What a chess computer tries to do is generate the board-position tree five or 10 or 20 moves into the future. Assuming that there are about 20 possible moves for any board position, a five-level tree contains 3,200,000 board positions. A 10-level tree contains about 10,000,000,000,000 (10 trillion) positions. > >Oh yeah? >Steinitz offered to spot God Pawn and move! >God didn't take him up on it. >Smart move on his part. >Steinitz would have kicked Butt!
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