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Subject: Re: BTW

Author: Jonas Cohonas

Date: 13:38:19 05/21/05

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On May 21, 2005 at 16:06:21, Thomas Mayer wrote:

>Hi Jonas,
>
>> quote: "It's obvious Hydra has significant weaknesses with anti-chess
>> tactics."
>
>> What do you base that assumption on?
>
>I think because players around or beyond 2000 Elo can beat or at least draw
>Hydra quite often. At least more often then the rating difference (they claim to
>be around or even higher then 3000 on their webpage) allows.

If it happens often i would like to see the games (don't forget to include the
losses of these players too)

>In my opinion the hole story is about how good are computers in chess really. As
>long players around 2000 with a special system can achieve wins and draws as
>much as they want, they might be not as strong as some rating lists, e.g. the
>SSDF makes us believe.

I think that there is an illusion of some sort here, we only see the odd win on
time (which i am absolutely sure would not occur in a serious match) and the
occational draw, but they don't post the vast amount of lost games that is a
result of their attempt to get a positive result.

When all this is said i agree that the computers have weaknesses that humans can
exploit through special sytems and such, but i haven't seen one successful (in
serious events at classical time controls) since Kramnik's Stonewall some time
back against Junior i think and a couple of games in the man v machine games
following that. I don't consider winning on time a queen and two rooks down
successful, at best it points out where programmers need to work.

>Maybe a good idea for Adams would be to play initially for a draw to win maybe
>finally. He might not need to use exactly the system, Pablo is using, but maybe
>for him it would be a good idea to take a closer look in those games. Also he
>might take a closer look to the games Eduard Nemeth presents and also those by
>Kurt Utzinger. That should give him enough ideas how to draw the beast most of
>the time.

I am sure that under serious conditions at classical time controls, they would
not be remotely as successful in getting the odd results as they seem to be at
times now.

Jonas



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