Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 18:15:23 05/21/05
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On May 21, 2005 at 12:55:53, chandler yergin wrote: >On May 21, 2005 at 12:42:28, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On May 21, 2005 at 03:45:24, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On May 21, 2005 at 02:56:15, chandler yergin wrote: >>> >>>>On May 20, 2005 at 20:29:38, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 20, 2005 at 19:46:19, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 20, 2005 at 03:41:59, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 20, 2005 at 03:37:46, jefkaan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>oops, small addition..: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 20, 2005 at 03:31:01, jefkaan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>with Moore's law, it might take only a few hundred >>>>>>>>>years to solve chess. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>of course i mean chess+, >>>>>>>>that is chess without the 50 move draw rule. >>>>>>>>with that rule chess probably is a draw. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>unequal bishops and so on spoil the game. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>but without the 50 move rule there might be a connection >>>>>>>>between 'best' opening lines and winning endgames >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>not impossible; anyone who thinks differently >>>>>>>>may challenge my opinion without throwing insults, >>>>>>>>thx in advance >>>>>>>>jef >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I already did, look above. IMO you have to disprove chess is a draw...too much >>>>>>>evidence to the contrary. >>>>>> >>>>>>Proving once again.. you don't know! >>>>>>The 'evidence' is against your position! >>>>>>The facts are against your position! >>>>>> >>>>>>Based on 1,114,334 Games >>>>>>1-0 413,652 games = 34% >>>>>> >>>>>>1/2 1/2 381,463 games or 35% >>>>>> >>>>>>0-1 318,393 Games or 28% >>>>>> >>>>>>You have NO argument or point! >>>>> >>>>>Would you quit arguing with me when I already asserted chess is a draw!! >>>> >>>>You can't prove it, Computers can't prove it, and the evidence of millions >>>>of games does not confirm it. >>>> So you can yell, whine, pout, & assert all you want. >>> >>>Oh get off it Chan...if God played God it would be a draw. You'll have hard >>>proof someday, but you'll likely be dead! > >>But there is enough data to acertain >>>chess is almost certainly a draw. > >More typical Terry NONSENSE! > > So please don't be such a mule. > >Hee Hawww >You are disconnected from Reality! > >http://stuffo.howstuffworks.com/first-time.htm?referer=chess1.htm > >In this tree, there are 20 possible moves for white. There are 20 * 20 = 400 >possible moves for black, depending on what white does. Then there are 400 * 20 >= 8,000 for white. Then there are 8,000 * 20 = 160,000 for black, and so on. If >you were to fully develop the entire tree for all possible chess moves, the >total number of board positions is about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >000,000,000,000, or 10120, give or take a few. >That's a very big number. >For example, there have only been 1026 nanoseconds since the Big Bang. >There are thought to be only 1075 atoms in the entire universe. >When you consider that the Milky Way galaxy contains billions of suns, and there >are billions of galaxies, you can see that that's a whole lot of atoms. That >number is dwarfed by the number of possible chess moves. >Chess is a pretty intricate game! >No computer is ever going to calculate the entire tree. > > What a chess computer tries to do is generate the board-position tree five or >10 or 20 moves into the future. Assuming that there are about 20 possible moves >for any board position, a five-level tree contains 3,200,000 board positions. A >10-level tree contains about 10,000,000,000,000 (10 trillion) positions. > > > Polly Want a Cracker? >>Oh yeah? >>Steinitz offered to spot God Pawn and move! >>God didn't take him up on it. >>Smart move on his part. >>Steinitz would have kicked Butt!\ Like Steinitz, you're crazy!
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