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Subject: Re: Crafty - an amateur program?

Author: KarinsDad

Date: 11:27:38 02/09/99

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On February 09, 1999 at 12:27:09, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On February 09, 1999 at 12:16:20, KarinsDad wrote:
>[snip]
>>Maybe a distinction of:
>>
>>Amateur
>>Professional
>>Commercial
>>
>>Although the line between Commercial and the others is fairly clear, the
>>distinction between Amateur and Professional is fairly unclear.
>>
>>Thoughts on this?
>>
>>I prefer a system similar to the rating system. Then, tournaments could be based
>>on ability and not on some esoteric determinations (such as does the programmer
>>make money on it, does the program use tablesbases, does the program use SMP,
>>etc.).
>Such a distinction is even more arbitrary than Amateur/Professional.

I take it you are refering to the first portion of my post which had amateur,
professional, and commercial. If so, I agree. I personally feel that the amateur
/ professional distinction is bogus (here as in all situations). Why not have
the best be the best and play against the best? The Olympics, for example,
should be the best people in a given activity, not the best who are not paid for
it. As if the "amateurs" who excel there won't be paid in the long run.

>  It seems
>as though we are really trying to break things down like this:
>
>0.  Author of Deep Blue
>1.  Good enough at writing chess programs to get paid for it
>2.  Competent at writing chess programs
>3.  Amateurish and clumsy at writing chess programs
>4.  First try at writing any sort of program was chess.  Should have stuck with
>"Hello, world!"
>5.  Bumbling, incompetent dimwit
>6.  Whinging, moronic twit

What is the difference between #4, 5, and 6?

>;-)
>
>What is the point at these subclasses?  Isn't that the point of the contest in
>the first place -- to figure out what slot the programmer belongs in?
>Hopefully, only 0, 1, and 2 get invited in the first place.

Ah, but in the amateur tournaments (and I am unaware of professional tournaments
except those run by private groups such as SSDF), 0 and 1 do not get invited.
How is that fair? Tournaments should be open to all and should have sections
(i.e. classes similar to USCF rating classes) with accolades and prizes
accordingly.

KarinsDad :)



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