Author: Darrel Briley
Date: 07:36:13 05/23/05
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On May 23, 2005 at 08:31:48, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote: > >I was reading Uri post. > >First. The real reason about why ICC to have wrote Rule 7 is to destroy and >attack the "Antichess" by jealous. A few points: ICC had this rule long before you were ever a member. If you wanted to play the same lines over and over, you could've played unrated. All the games in the history and liblist of Pablo-Restrepo were played between the dates of March 9, 2005 through March 15, 2005. Even after you were awarded a (C), you repeated the same lines over and over in blatant violation of the ICC rules you agreed to when you joined. All the games you played were at the time control of 3 0 or less (at least the games in your liblist and history). Generally speaking, players given the (C) are detected through the Blitzin software due to "heavy multi-tasking"....although I really don't think you were using a chess engine due to the short time control you were playing at, and frankly speaking, engines don't generally play so poorly. In many of the "wins" you had a completely losing position. All wins were wins on time. Looking at the history of the last 20 games played by Pablo-Restrepo reveals that in those 20 games, you won 7 games on time, the rest all losses. All 20 of these games were played at the time control of 3 0. So, in the previous 217 games played you had 46 wins (again, all at 3 0 or less). Again, hardly an indication that the "antichess" method is to be considered effective. Total games played 237, total number of losses 156, total number of draws 28...hardly a ringing endorsement of "antichess" :o) In all the games in the history and liblist of Pablo-Restrepo there is but one game against Shredder; by and large you won against what would be considered "weaker" engines; for the most part, amateurs. It is still my contention that any moderately talented player (probably class C or better) could achieve similar results if they are motivated enough, and have time and patience enough to repeat the same lines over and over until they find the "holes" in the programs. I say patience because it must be admitted the entire lot are extremely boring games. What was the highest number of repeated moves? I couldn't bring myself to play over all of them. Was it 20? 30? I do have the pgn (wins, losses and draws) if anyone would like to "study" them. >Second. The real reason about ANTICHESS must be attacked it is that have been >wrote by an amateur (Father) and not for Top chess human beings chess players. > >Third. Antichess is like the Pandora box that put in ridiculous all the false >paradigms of marketing’s and V.I.P & Cia. > >Fourth. "Antichess" is being playing for many warriors. The warriors wont are >stooping in the battle. > >Five. I was a victim from ICC in Pablo-Restrepo account where ICC put to me a >false "C" and where Freebird banned to me because I did not stop to play >ANTICHESS. > >Everyone can see my liblits of more than 48 games of Antichess I played there >ICC. > >In mine notes of Pablo-Restrepo I wrote the truly about what happened with an >antichess player(me) amateur that put in danger the false status of masters, >engines, factories, and V.I.P that don’t recognize the other truth: THE AQUILES >TALION of computers. > >Playchess is a democratic and scientific club. This is the principal difference, > >Best regards, > >Pablo Restrepo > >BlitzIn 2.31 (Spanish) >Copyright (C) 1998-2000 Internet Chess Club >Looking up chessclub.com... >Trying to connect to 207.99.83.228 on port 5044... >Connected >Welcome to the INTERNET CHESS CLUB > >web: www.chessclub.com email: icc@chessclub.com >phone: 1-412-521-5553 > >login: guest > > Because you are connected as an unregistered guest, you > will not be able to play rated games, observe grandmaster > games, play in tournaments, chat in most channels, adjourn > games, or use many of the other features available to > registered ICC members. See "help register". >____________________________________________________________________ >Your name for this session will be "guest1516". > >** The use of chess-playing programs is not allowed ** >** unless you have a (C) label. "help computers" explains. ** > >Internet Chess Club Events: More details: "help event2". > Times are EDT; add 4 hours for GMT. >_____________________________________________________________________ >Sun May 22, 6:30am: LIVE COVERAGE MTel Masters "finger Live" www.Chess.FM >Sun May 21, 11am: LIVE COVERAGE HB Challenge "finger Live" www.Chess.FM >Sun May 22, 1-6pm: STC Bunch Standard Tournament. "finger STC-TD" >Sun May 22, 5pm: FREE 45 15 SIMUL IM Alexey Kireev "play MaestroASK" >Sun May 22, 12noon: LIVE COVERAGE HB Challenge "finger Live" www.Chess.FM >Mon May 23, 11:30am,1pm: Convekta Weekday 5 0 Blitz >Mon May 23, 2:15pm: LONGER Time control tourney. "Help DailyStandard" >Mon May 23, 5pm: FREE SIMUL 30 5 by Moonspell(IM) under 1800 >Mon May 23, 7pm: Play the MASTER. "help PLAYtheMASTER". >Mon May 23, 8pm: GM Larry Christiansen plays material odds blitz >Mon May 23, 9pm: Bullet tournament: 1 0 rated, for all ratings. >Tue May 24, 2,8,11pm: Standard Tournament 60 0 "help STtourney". >Tue May 24, 2:15pm: LONGER Time control tourney. "Help DailyStandard" >Tue May 24, 6:30pm: INTERNATIONAL MASTER Schroer gives a 50 20 SIMUL. >____________________________________________________________________ >LIVE COVERAGE MTel Masters from Sofia, Bulgaria "finger Sofia05" >LIVE COVERAGE HB Challenge from Minneapolis, USA "finger HBchallenge05" >Chessbattles, Tourneys with great prizes."finger chessbattles" >---> Move timestamping activated. >language set to Spanish. >fin pablo-restrepo > > >" THIS ELO AND GAMES WERE PLAYED FOR PABLO RESTREPO 100% AS A HUMAN BEING" > > >Information about Pablo-Restrepo(C) (Last disconnected Wed Mar 16 2005 20:11): > > rating [need] win loss draw total best >Blitz 2550 [8] 53 156 28 237 2676 (15-Mar-2005) > > 1: Now I am going to continue the battle in the challenger Man vs Machine into >best of the best engines Chess Club, "Playchess from Chessbase", where >democracy, freedom and science, to exist, into engines room. > 2: I am 100% human being chess player. (the "C" is absolutly false and a signe >of ICC persecution)" I am constructing the antichess way" diferent to the >Dr.I.M.Levy concept."Antichess= Anti-alghoritm" "not the simple anticomputer >way";Antiajedrez is builted over the flexible human being intelligence > 3: Thanks to Playchess,Chessbase,Hydra Team,and everyone have got me >oportunity to play against his-her engines.Thanks to "elDenso" from ICC for his >note about my victorie agains Shredder 9.That could be a principle of truth >publication about the state of art, becouse sport news and ICC are in wrong >mistaken > 4: Antiajedrez or Antichess is my own extreme style. Antiajedrez is a new word >started in 2002 before a public chess-competence against Fritz 7 when I won.I am >his inventor as sistematic method in the chesslife,wining on time or broking the >computer value by stress.Traditional expert concepts was in a mistake. > 5: Top engine 2005 is Hydra, from E.A.U. better than Deep Blue. I played >Hydra first week March 2005 in a speed of 115,000 kilonodes each second. See: a >Quard Opteron in Shredder go in speed of 5,500 kilonodes each second,a P 4 1.600 >Ghz have speed 600 kilonodes each second.Could you see the Hydra power? > 6: Are better engines that Human beings?; ¿Is antichess a bug-engines way >?1-Doing what engines know how to do engines are better, but if you are cappable >to discover ways that engines ignore(playing out of engine alghoritm across >memory strategic),human being could be on top.2-Antichess is an autonomous art. > 7: When engines can avoid the antichess way the score will be: Engines 1; >Human being: 0. In my life I have played since 1980 against engines.Firstone >where "Chess Challenger No 7" from Fidelity electronics.I wonder if the present >and future Kilonodes(1,000 nodes eachoane)are going to beat antichess principle. > 8: I want to say something. Really I would like to play against Top >engines.Please dont scape to the challenger.Engines will be better if programers >written a perfect book against "Father"and the Top are working in that way since >2004 and now 2005 for 2006 set. ICC please open your intelligence to my new way >!!! > 9: The "C" is a simple agreed between Freebird-ICC and me. I hope in soon >future ICC eraser the C and stop the persecution against me and open the doar >for me to the computer knowloge like Top Programers, Top projects and Playchess >have done. ICC: "Stop the protection of false V.I.P and false engines status!! >10: Finally ICC mess to me broking the agreed. "You cannot play rated games from >this account, for now." Only ICC will be losting international prestige with >this top ignorant dark rule. ICC have lost oportunity to have me playing into >ICC. A new bad move from ICC, selft-interest monetary. > > avoid avoid > > >Subject: Re: HIARCS 9 and Anti-Chess > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >[ Post Followup (without quoting) ] [ Post Followup (with quoting) ] [ Computer >Chess Resource Center ] [ Message Listing ] > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Posted by Uri Blass (Profile) on May 23, 2005 at 07:54:28: > >In Reply to: Re: HIARCS 9 and Anti-Chess posted by Uri Blass on May 23, 2005 at >07:29:21: > > >On May 23, 2005 at 07:29:21, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On May 23, 2005 at 05:39:00, Darrel Briley wrote: >> >>>On May 23, 2005 at 05:13:04, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On May 23, 2005 at 00:08:52, Darrel Briley wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 22, 2005 at 19:28:53, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 22, 2005 at 18:53:07, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I am thinking chess is in a coin. >>>>>>>Human beings for ever playing in one face. >>>>>>>Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". >>>>>>>Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to clouse a little door behind. >>>>>>>You must enter across this doar. Forget the front. >>>>>> >>>>>>Congrats Pablo! This was an nice game, but last after 15 losing games. >>>>>> >>>>>>You losing 1 : 16 against Hiarcs 9. I seems Hiarcs 9 is very strong against >>>>>>Anti-Chess. >>>>>> >>>>>>Or? >>>>>> >>>>>>Ed:) >>>>> >>>>>I assume the reason you see such things on Playchess.com and not ICC is due to >>>>>ICC's rules prohibiting playing the same line(s) repeatedly against an engine >>>>>until you FINALLLLLY get a win. >>>> >>>>I do not know about a rule in ICC that prohibit playing the same lines >>>>repeatedly against an engine. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>http://www.chessclub.com/help/abuse >>> >>>7. Playing the same line over and over against a computer, to gain rating >>>points. We will edit your rating to whatever we feel is reasonable if you do >>>this. >>> >>>Accounts that abuse, distort, or cheat the rating system on ICC may have the >>>ratings adjusted, may be added to the "disconnectors" list (causing immediate >>>loss upon disconnection), may be prevented from playing rated games, or may lose >>>their ICC account entirely. These actions will be taken at the sole discretion >>>of the ICC administrators. >> >>Thanks >> >>This rule is talking only about trying to get rating >> >>People are still allowed to play the same line over and over in friendly games >>against computers. >> >>I also think that the rule is not fair. >> >>It means that playing the same line over and over against an human to gain >>rating points is allowed and playing against convenient human opponent is also a >>trick to get rating points. >> >>If the target is to do the rating fair then it is better to forbid people to >>play for rating except playing in open swiss tournaments when you cannot choose >>your opponent. >> >>Uri > >I can add that the rule is also against programmers. > >Suppose that a programmer implemented some new learning function in order to >prevent humans to earn rating by repeating the same line again and again. > >How can the programmer check if the learning works when humans are not allowed >to try repeating the same line again and again. > >Uri
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