Author: Uri Blass
Date: 11:24:51 05/23/05
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On May 23, 2005 at 14:05:59, Thomas Mayer wrote:
>Hi Uri,
>
>>>There is no such way with 500 moves. Impossible in human chess following FIDE
>>>rules. Or did you mean 500 moves of depth? :) Sorry.
>>
>>It is possible.
>>
>>You can get the following position after 150 moves.
>>Imagine that white does not agree to draw and push a pawn every 50 moves.
>>
>>The game can be finished easily after more than 500 moves from the first move.
>>
>>[D]7k/5p2/5K2/8/8/7P/4B2P/8 w - - 0 1
>
>by the way, isn't the longest known game (of course constructed) of chess over
>2000 moves long, I think I have something like that in mind. At Tim Krabbe's
>site it is even stated that it can take 5949 moves. (I believe with correct
>usage of the 50 move rule) - Quark would crash after 500 moves. I have heard
>that some ChessBase engines crash already after 256 moves.
>
>One might test that with the following game, known as the longest tournament
>game ever happened:
>
>[Event “?”]
>[Site “Belgrade”]
>[Date "1989.??.??"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Nikolic"]
>[Black "Arsovic"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 Nbd7 7.O-O e5
>8.Re1 Re8 9.Bf1 h6 10.d5 Nh7 11.Rb1 f5 12.Nd2 f4 13.b4 g5
>14.Nb3 Bf8 15.Be2 Ndf6 16.c5 g4 17.cxd6 cxd6 18.a3 Ng5
>19.Bf1 Re7 20.Qd3 Rg7 21.Kh1 Qe8 22.Nd2 g3 23.fxg3 fxg3
>24.Qxg3 Nh3 25.Qf3 Qg6 26.Nc4 Bd7 27.Bd3 Ng5 28.Bxg5 Qxg5
>29.Ne3 Re8 30.Ne2 Be7 31.Rbd1 Rf8 32.Nf5 Ng4 33.Neg3 h5
>34.Kg1 h4 35.Qxg4 Qxg4 36.Nh6+ Kh7 37.Nxg4 hxg3 38.Ne3 gxh2+
>39.Kxh2 Rh8 40.Rh1 Kg6+ 41.Kg1 Rc8 42.Be2 Rc3 43.Rd3 Rc1+
>44.Nf1 Bd8 45.Rh8 Bb6+ 46.Kh2 Rh7+ 47.Rxh7 Kxh7 48.Nd2 Bg1+
>49.Kh1 Bd4+ 50.Nf1 Bg4 51.Bxg4 Rxf1+ 52.Kh2 Bg1+ 53.Kh3 Re1
>54.Bf5+ Kh6 55.Kg4 Re3 56.Rd1 Bh2 57.Rh1 Rg3+ 58.Kh4 Rxg2
>59.Kh3 Rg3+ 60.Kxh2 Rxa3 61.Rg1 Ra6 62.Rg6+ Kh5 63.Kg3 Rb6
>64.Rg7 Rxb4 65.Bc8 a5 66.Bxb7 a4 67.Bc6 a3 68.Ra7 Rb3+ 69.Kf2 Kg5
>70.Ke2 Kf4 71.Ra4 Rh3 72.Kd2 a2 73.Bb5 Rh1 74.Rxa2 Rh2+ 75.Be2 Kxe4
>76.Ra5 Kd4 77.Ke1 Rh1+ 78.Kf2 Rc1 79.Bg4 Rc2+ 80.Ke1 e4 81.Be6 Ke5
>82.Bg8 Rc8 83.Bf7 Rc7 84.Be6 Rc2 85.Ra8 Rb2 86.Ra6 Rg2 87.Kd1 Rb2
>88.Ra5 Rg2 89.Bd7 Rh2 90.Bc6 Kf4 91.Ra8 e3 92.Re8 Kf3 93.Rf8+ Ke4
>94.Rf6 Kd3 95.Bb5+ Kd4 96.Rf5 Rh1+ 97.Ke2 Rh2+ 98.Kd1 Rh1+
>99.Kc2 Rh2+ 100.Kc1 Rh1+ 101.Kc2 Rh2+ 102.Kd1 Rh1+ 103.Ke2 Rh2+
>104.Kf1 Rb2 105.Be2 Ke4 106.Rh5 Rb1+ 107.Kg2 Rb2 108.Rh4+ Kxd5
>109.Kf3 Kc5 110.Kxe3 Rb3+ 111.Bd3 d5 112.Rh8 Ra3 113.Re8 Kd6
>114.Kd4 Ra4+ 115.Kc3 Ra3+ 116.Kd4 Ra4+ 117.Ke3 Ra3 118.Rh8 Ke5
>119.Rh5+ Kd6 120.Rg5 Rb3 121.Kd2 Rb8 122.Bf1 Re8 123.Kd3 Re5
>124.Rg8 Rh5 125.Bg2 Kc5 126.Rf8 Rh6 127.Bf3 Rd6 128.Re8 Rc6
>129.Ra8 Rb6 130.Rd8 Rd6 131.Rf8 Ra6 132.Rf5 Rd6 133.Kc3 Rd8
>134.Rg5 Rd6 135.Rh5 Rd8 136.Rf5 Rd6 137.Rf8 Ra6 138.Re8 Rc6
>139.Ra8 Rb6 140.Ra5+ Rb5 141.Ra1 Rb8 142.Rd1 Rd8 143.Rd2 Rd7
>144.Bg2 Rd8 145.Kd3 Ra8 146.Ke3 Re8+ 147.Kd3 Ra8 148.Kc3 Rd8
>149.Bf3 Rd7 150.Kd3 Ra7 151.Bg2 Ra8 152.Rc2+ Kd6 153.Rc3 Ra2
>154.Bf3 Ra8 155.Rb3 Ra5 156.Ke3 Ke5 157.Rd3 Rb5 158.Kd2 Rc5
>159.Bg2 Ra5 160.Bf3 Rc5 161.Bd1 Rc8 162.Bb3 Rc5 163.Rh3 Kf4
>164.Kd3 Ke5 165.Rh5+ Kf4 166.Kd4 Rb5 167.Bxd5 Rb4+ 168.Bc4 Ra4
>169.Rh7 Kg5 170.Rf7 Kg6 171.Rf1 Kg5 172.Kc5 Ra5+ 173.Kc6 Ra4
>174.Bd5 Rf4 175.Re1 Rf6+ 176.Kc5 Rf5 177.Kd4 Kf6 178.Re6+ Kg5
>179.Be4 Rf6 180.Re8 Kf4 181.Rh8 Rd6+ 182.Bd5 Rf6 183.Rh1 Kf5
>184.Be4+ Ke6 185.Ra1 Kd6 186.Ra5 Re6 187.Bf5 Re1 188.Ra6+ Ke7
>189.Be4 Rc1 190.Ke5 Rc5+ 191.Bd5 Rc7 192.Rg6 Rd7 193.Rh6 Kd8
>194.Be6 Rd2 195.Rh7 Ke8 196.Kf6 Kd8 197.Ke5 Rd1 198.Bd5 Ke8
>199.Kd6 Kf8 200.Rf7+ Ke8 201.Rg7 Rf1 202.Rg8+ Rf8 203.Rg7 Rf6+
>204.Be6 Rf2 205.Bd5 Rf6+ 206.Ke5 Rf1 207.Kd6 Rf6+ 208.Be6 Rf2
>209.Ra7 Kf8 210.Rc7 Rd2+ 211.Ke5 Ke8 212.Kf6 Rf2+ 213.Bf5 Rd2
>214.Rc1 Rd6+ 215.Be6 Rd2 216.Rh1 Kd8 217.Rh7 Rd1 218.Rg7 Rd2
>219.Rg8+ Kc7 220.Rc8+ Kb6 221.Ke5 Kb7 222.Rc3 Kb6 223.Bd5 Rh2
>224.Kd6 Rh6+ 225.Be6 Rh5 226.Ra3 Ra5 227.Rg3 Rh5 228.Rg2 Ka5
>229.Rg3 Kb6 230.Rg4 Rb5 231.Bd5 Rc5 232.Rg8 Rc2 233.Rb8+ Ka5
>234.Bb3 Rc3 235.Kd5 Rc7 236.Kd4 Rd7+ 237.Bd5 Re7 238.Rb2 Re8
>239.Rb7 Ka6 240.Rb1 Ka5 241.Bc4 Rd8+ 242.Kc3 Rh8 243.Rb5+ Ka4
>244.Rb6 Rh3+ 245.Bd3 Rh5 246.Re6 Rg5 247.Rh6 Rc5+ 248.Bc4 Rg5
>249.Ra6+ Ra5 250.Rh6 Rg5 251.Rh4 Ka5 252.Rh2 Rg3+ 253.Kd4 Rg5
>254.Bd5 Ka4 255.Kc5 Rg3 256.Ra2+ Ra3 257.Rb2 Rg3 258.Rh2 Rc3+
>259.Bc4 Rg3 260.Rb2 Rg5+ 261.Bd5 Rg3 262.Rh2 Rc3+ 263.Bc4 Rg3
>264.Rh8 Ka3 265.Ra8+ Kb2 266.Ra2+ Kb1 267.Rf2 Kc1 268.Kd4 Kd1
>269.Bd3 Rg7 ½-½
>
>Greets, Thomas
The players do not know about the 50 move rule.
Note that Movei is an expert for long games inspite of the 50 move rule.
It never got 500 moves(otherwise it can also crash) but it already got more than
300 moves
[Event "WBEC9 1st Division"]
[Site "MP2600"]
[Date "2004.12.06"]
[Round "4.4"]
[White "Movei 0.08.295"]
[Black "Gromit 3.8.2"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Number "632"]
[TimeControl "40/2400"]
1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. c4 c5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. g3 Nc6 6. Bg2 Nf6 7. O-O Be7 8.
Nc3 O-O 9. Bg5 cxd4 10. Nxd4 h6 11. Be3 Re8 12. Rc1 Bf8 13. Nxc6 bxc6 14.
Na4 Bd7 15. Bc5 Bxc5 16. Nxc5 Bg4 17. Re1 Qa5 18. f3 Bf5 19. a3 Rab8 20.
Qd4 Qb5 21. e4 dxe4 22. fxe4 Rbd8 23. Qc3 Bg6 24. e5 Nd5 25. Qb3 Ne7 26.
Qxb5 cxb5 27. e6 Rd2 28. exf7+ Bxf7 29. Ne4 Rd4 30. Nc3 a6 31. Bb7 Rd6 32.
Ne4 Re6 33. Nc5 Rxe1+ 34. Rxe1 a5 35. Bf3 a4 36. Nb7 Nf5 37. Rxe8+ Bxe8 38.
Kf2 Kf8 39. Be4 Bd7 40. Nc5 Bc8 41. Bd3 Nd6 42. Ke3 Ke7 43. Ne4 Bf5 44.
Nxd6 Bxd3 45. Nc8+ Kd8 46. Na7 Bf1 47. Kd4 b4 48. axb4 g5 49. Kc5 Kd7 50.
Nb5 h5 51. Nc3 Bg2 52. b5 Kc7 53. Nxa4 h4 54. Nb6 Kb7 55. Nc4 Bf3 56. Nd6+
Kc7 57. b6+ Kd7 58. Nf7 hxg3 59. hxg3 g4 60. b3 Be2 61. b4 Kc8 62. Nd6+ Kd7
63. Kd5 Bf3+ 64. Ke5 Kc6 65. b7 Kc7 66. Kf5 Be2 67. Kg5 Kb8 68. Kh4 Bf3 69.
b5 Be2 70. Kh5 Bf3 71. Kh6 Be2 72. Kg7 Bd3 73. Kf7 Be2 74. Kg6 Bd1 75. Kf5
Kc7 76. Ke5 Kb8 77. Kf4 Bf3 78. Kf5 Be2 79. Ke6 Bf3 80. Ke7 Bd5 81. Kf6 Bf3
82. Ke6 Kc7 83. Ke7 Kb8 84. Kf6 Be2 85. Kg5 Bd1 86. Kg6 Bf3 87. Kh5 Bd1 88.
Kg5 Be2 89. Kh6 Bf3 90. Kh7 Bd5 91. b6 Bf3 92. Kg6 Bh1 93. Kh6 Bf3 94. Kh5
Be2 95. Kg6 Bf3 96. Kf6 Be2 97. Kf7 Bd3 98. Ke7 Be2 99. Kf6 Bf3 100. Ke6
Bd5+ 101. Ke5 Bc6 102. Kd4 Bg2 103. Kc4 Bd5+ 104. Kd3 Bc6 105. Ke2 Bf3+
106. Kd2 Bc6 107. Kd3 Bf3 108. Kc2 Bd5 109. Kd1 Bg2 110. Ke1 Bf3 111. Kf1
Bd5 112. Kf2 Bf3 113. Ke3 Bd5 114. Kf4 Bf3 115. Kg5 Bd1 116. Kf5 Bf3 117.
Kf4 Bd1 118. Ke5 Bf3 119. Kf5 Be2 120. Ke6 Bf3 121. Nc4 Kxb7 122. Kd6 Bg2
123. Ne3 Bf3 124. Kc5 Kb8 125. Kd4 Kb7 126. Nc4 Bh1 127. Kc5 Kc8 128. Kb5
Bg2 129. Ka6 Kb8 130. Nd6 Bf1+ 131. Ka5 Bd3 132. Kb4 Be2 133. Kc3 Bf3 134.
Kd3 Ka8 135. Kd2 Bc6 136. Ke2 Bf3+ 137. Ke3 Kb8 138. Kf4 Bd1 139. Ke4 Bf3+
140. Ke3 Ka8 141. Kd4 Bg2 142. Ke5 Kb8 143. Ke6 Ka8 144. Ke7 Kb8 145. Kf7
Ka8 146. Kf8 Kb8 147. Kg7 Ka8 148. Kh6 Bf3 149. Kh7 Kb8 150. Kg6 Ka8 151.
Kh6 Be2 152. Kh7 Kb8 153. Kg8 Bf1 154. Kg7 Bg2 155. Kg6 Ka8 156. Kf7 Bc6
157. Ke7 Bf3 158. Kd7 Kb8 159. Ke6 Bh1 160. Kf7 Ka8 161. Kf6 Kb8 162. Kg6
Ka8 163. Kh5 Bf3 164. Kh4 Be2 165. Kg5 Kb8 166. Kg6 Bd1 167. b7 Kc7 168.
Kg7 Bf3 169. Kh7 Kb8 170. Kg6 Ka7 171. Kg7 Kb8 172. Kf8 Bd5 173. Ke7 Bf3
174. Kf7 Bg2 175. Kg6 Bf3 176. Kh7 Bd1 177. Kh6 Bf3 178. Kh5 Kc7 179. Kh4
Kb8 180. Kg5 Be2 181. Kf6 Bd3 182. Kf7 Bh7 183. Ke6 Bb1 184. Kd5 Bh7 185.
Kc4 Bb1 186. Kc3 Bg6 187. Kd2 Bb1 188. Ke3 Bc2 189. Kd4 Bd1 190. Kd3 Bf3
191. Kc2 Bg2 192. Kd2 Bc6 193. Ke2 Ka7 194. Kf2 Kb8 195. Ke3 Bf3 196. Kd3
Kc7 197. Kd4 Bg2 198. Ke5 Bf3 199. Kf6 Bd1 200. Ke7 Bf3 201. Kf7 Be2 202.
Ke6 Bf3 203. Ke5 Be2 204. Kf5 Kb8 205. Ke4 Bf3+ 206. Ke3 Bg2 207. Kf4 Bf3
208. Nb5 Kxb7 209. Nd4 Bg2 210. Kxg4 Kc7 211. Kf4 Kd6 212. g4 Kd5 213. Nc2
Be4 214. Ne3+ Kd4 215. Nf5+ Kd5 216. Ne7+ Kd4 217. Ng8 Bd5 218. Nf6 Bc4
219. Ne8 Bf7 220. Nd6 Be6 221. g5 Kd5 222. Ne4 Bf7 223. Kf5 Be6+ 224. Kf6
Bg8 225. Nc3+ Kc4 226. Kg7 Be6 227. Ne2 Bg4 228. Ng3 Bd7 229. Kf6 Be8 230.
Nf5 Kd5 231. Ng7 Bc6 232. g6 Kd6 233. Ne6 Bd5 234. Nf4 Bc4 235. Ng2 Bg8
236. Ne1 Kd7 237. Nc2 Kd6 238. Nd4 Kd7 239. g7 Kd8 240. Nf5 Bd5 241. Ne7
Bc4 242. Nc6+ Ke8 243. Ne5 Bd5 244. Nf3 Bg8 245. Ng5 Kd7 246. Nh3 Kd6 247.
Ng1 Kd7 248. Ne2 Kd6 249. Nf4 Kd7 250. Ng2 Kd6 251. Nh4 Kd7 252. Ng6 Kd8
253. Ne5 Ke8 254. Nd3 Bd5 255. Nf4 Bg8 256. Ne6 Kd7 257. Ng5 Ke8 258. Nf3
Kd7 259. Nd2 Kd6 260. Nb1 Kd5 261. Nc3+ Kd6 262. Ne2 Kd7 263. Ng3 Kd8 264.
Nf1 Kd7 265. Ne3 Kd8 266. Ng4 Ke8 267. Nf2 Kd8 268. Nd1 Kd7 269. Nb2 Kd6
270. Nd3 Kd7 271. Nc5+ Kd6 272. Na6 Kd5 273. Ke7 Ke5 274. Nc5 Bc4 275. Nd3+
Kd4 276. Nf4 Ke5 277. Ng6+ Kf5 278. Nh8 Bg8 279. Kf8 Bh7 280. Nf7 Kf6 281.
Nd6 Ke6 282. Nc8 Kf6 283. Na7 Ke5 284. Nb5 Ke6 285. Nc3 Kf6 286. Ne2 Ke6
287. g8=N Bxg8 288. Nd4+ Kd7 289. Nb5 Be6 290. Na3 Kc7 291. Nc2 Kd7 292.
Nb4 Kc7 293. Na6+ Kd8 294. Nc5 Bd7 295. Na6 Kc8 296. Nc5 Kd8 297. Nb3 Kc8
298. Na1 Kd8 299. Nc2 Kc8 300. Na1 Kd8 301. Nc2 Kc8 302. Na1
{Movei-> Draw by repetition} 1/2-1/2
Uri
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