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Subject: Re: ICC rule 7. is lame, but Pablo's trick is too. Dr Robert Hyatt

Author: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Date: 20:30:17 05/23/05

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Are you Moonbean nickname in ICC?
That was the game Dr.
Best regard,
Pablo.




On May 23, 2005 at 21:16:26, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 23, 2005 at 11:24:03, Matthew Hull wrote:
>
>>On May 23, 2005 at 11:18:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On May 23, 2005 at 11:07:32, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well done.  I did look at a few of the games myself and came to a similar
>>>>conclusion.  Pablo's trick would not work so well at long time controls, I
>>>>think.  He certainly could not do it "on demand" such as in a six-game showdown
>>>>at 120 0.  But even though it's a lame trick, it should be allowed and
>>>>programmers are responsible to fight against tricks.
>>>>
>>>>I think the ICC rule 7 is wrong-headed.  If I were running ICC, I would allow
>>>>repeating lines against programs.  It is the programmer's responsibility to make
>>>>a better program than to allow itself to be exploited.  It is just another
>>>>program weakness that needs fixing.  There is no need to defend program
>>>>weaknesses with extra rules.  I would allow (and even encourage) players to
>>>>punish such programmer oversights relentlessly.  That's how you get better
>>>>programs.
>>>>
>>>>I'd bet money Bob Hyatt agrees with me on this.
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Pretty much.
>>>
>>>I've always been a believer in "take control of your own destiny."
>>>
>>>I'd be more than willing to have him play crafty in 3 0 games as long as he
>>>wants.  And I'd bet money crafty will _never_ lose a 3 0 game against a human.
>>>And it won't lose against a computer unless the game is _way_ long, say 500 or
>>>more moves...
>>>
>>>There are really two kinds of people in the world.
>>>
>>>1.  The kind that complain when something is exploited.
>>>
>>>2.  The kind that recognize when something is exploited and then fix it so that
>>>it can't be exploited again.  I went thru this in losing to very fast humans (no
>>>longer possible), repeating bad opening lines (book learning helps but doesn't
>>>totally solve it but positional learning offers even more help;  The "trojan
>>>horse attack" was killing everyone and producing lots of complaints.  I chose to
>>>prevent the attack.  Etc.
>>
>>
>>Speaking of Crafty, where is it?  It seems to have gone AWOL on ICC.  :)
>
>
>No idea.  Looks like a network glitch snapped the connection without telling my
>end it was closed.  I just restarted xboard...



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