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Subject: Re: Basics of Group Theory for Chess Players A Ply

Author: Robin Smith

Date: 20:38:16 05/23/05

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On May 22, 2005 at 20:40:22, chandler yergin wrote:

>On May 22, 2005 at 17:44:36, David Mitchell wrote:
>
>>On May 22, 2005 at 06:08:42, chandler yergin wrote:
>>
>>>On May 22, 2005 at 05:30:44, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 22, 2005 at 05:22:09, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 22, 2005 at 04:41:24, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 20, 2005 at 22:15:59, Robin Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On May 20, 2005 at 13:24:29, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On May 20, 2005 at 12:26:50, E. Nielsen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On May 20, 2005 at 12:04:52, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Each move and its response is called a ply.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>NO!!! There are two plies per move. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you disagree with this?
>>>>>1. e4 is a move = 1 Ply
>>>>>2. e5 as a response is 1 move = 1 Ply
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>gosh...of course this is wrong!
>>>>1 ply = 1 _half_move and 2 plies are 1 move,
>>>>time to get this.
>>>>That's why it is 1.e4 and 1...e5 ;-) (not 2...e5)
>>>>
>>>>Guenther
>>>
>>> 1. e4 e5 you consider to be one move?
>>>For Notation purposes yes, I agree
>>>White makes a move = 1 Ply
>>>Black responds with a move = 1 Ply
>>>So for each move and response = 2 Ply.
>>>OK?
>>
>>Actually, you're both right!
>>
>>The GENERAL meaning of "move" in FIDE regs is simply "a king can not move into
>>check", etc. One player's moving of a piece, constitutes one move. I believed
>>that would be called a "half move", but I just went to FIDE and it's called a
>>move, period.
>>
>>However, there is another meaning for more specific meaning of "move", which I
>>can not find in the FIDE regs., but is understood by chess players to mean,
>>oddly enough, a pair of moves.
>>
>>So, 1. e4 is a general move, (normally easily told apart from the specific
>>meaning of "move" by the context), however, 1. e4, e5 is also ONE move. With the
>>latter clearly being TWO ply.
>>
>>Dave
>
>http://www.chessbase.com/support/workshop.asp?ID=235

Chandler,

Thanks for making my point; from the link you quote:

"The difference here is that the engine now adds a new line each time it
completes a ply of the search; i.e. when the search depth is increased by one
ply (half move), a new line is added to the display."

QED

-Robin



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