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Subject: Re: ICC rule 7. is lame, but Pablo's trick is too. Dr Robert Hyatt

Author: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Date: 10:16:12 05/24/05

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Dr Robert Hyatt.

If in any moment you are interested in playing an engine against me as a humen
being, just tell me here in CCC, I will be Welcome to play if God get to me the
oportunity, into playchess engines room, or in ICC playing me as a guest.
I preffer playchess, I want to be honest.... For ICC is not a nice chess club. I
wrote why in my yesterday postes.
Best regard,
Pablo Restrepo


On May 24, 2005 at 10:48:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 23, 2005 at 23:30:17, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote:
>
>>Are you Moonbean nickname in ICC?
>>That was the game Dr.
>>Best regard,
>>Pablo.
>
>No.  I run "crafty" and "scrappy" only.  The other crafty ICC players are run by
>others...
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>>On May 23, 2005 at 21:16:26, Robert Hyatt wrote:
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>>>On May 23, 2005 at 11:24:03, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 23, 2005 at 11:18:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 23, 2005 at 11:07:32, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well done.  I did look at a few of the games myself and came to a similar
>>>>>>conclusion.  Pablo's trick would not work so well at long time controls, I
>>>>>>think.  He certainly could not do it "on demand" such as in a six-game showdown
>>>>>>at 120 0.  But even though it's a lame trick, it should be allowed and
>>>>>>programmers are responsible to fight against tricks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think the ICC rule 7 is wrong-headed.  If I were running ICC, I would allow
>>>>>>repeating lines against programs.  It is the programmer's responsibility to make
>>>>>>a better program than to allow itself to be exploited.  It is just another
>>>>>>program weakness that needs fixing.  There is no need to defend program
>>>>>>weaknesses with extra rules.  I would allow (and even encourage) players to
>>>>>>punish such programmer oversights relentlessly.  That's how you get better
>>>>>>programs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'd bet money Bob Hyatt agrees with me on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Pretty much.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've always been a believer in "take control of your own destiny."
>>>>>
>>>>>I'd be more than willing to have him play crafty in 3 0 games as long as he
>>>>>wants.  And I'd bet money crafty will _never_ lose a 3 0 game against a human.
>>>>>And it won't lose against a computer unless the game is _way_ long, say 500 or
>>>>>more moves...
>>>>>
>>>>>There are really two kinds of people in the world.
>>>>>
>>>>>1.  The kind that complain when something is exploited.
>>>>>
>>>>>2.  The kind that recognize when something is exploited and then fix it so that
>>>>>it can't be exploited again.  I went thru this in losing to very fast humans (no
>>>>>longer possible), repeating bad opening lines (book learning helps but doesn't
>>>>>totally solve it but positional learning offers even more help;  The "trojan
>>>>>horse attack" was killing everyone and producing lots of complaints.  I chose to
>>>>>prevent the attack.  Etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Speaking of Crafty, where is it?  It seems to have gone AWOL on ICC.  :)
>>>
>>>
>>>No idea.  Looks like a network glitch snapped the connection without telling my
>>>end it was closed.  I just restarted xboard...



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