Author: Matthew Hull
Date: 10:53:08 05/24/05
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On May 24, 2005 at 13:16:12, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote: >Dr Robert Hyatt. > >If in any moment you are interested in playing an engine against me as a humen >being, just tell me here in CCC, I will be Welcome to play if God get to me the >oportunity, into playchess engines room, or in ICC playing me as a guest. >I preffer playchess, I want to be honest.... For ICC is not a nice chess club. I >wrote why in my yesterday postes. Can you still log into your old account on ICC? If so, why don't you just use that? If your account is paid up, you might as well use it. Crafty won't care if you have a "C" in your name or not. We will all know that it's you. Log in and "knock yourself out" (as we say in America). :) >Best regard, >Pablo Restrepo > > >On May 24, 2005 at 10:48:24, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 23, 2005 at 23:30:17, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote: >> >>>Are you Moonbean nickname in ICC? >>>That was the game Dr. >>>Best regard, >>>Pablo. >> >>No. I run "crafty" and "scrappy" only. The other crafty ICC players are run by >>others... >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On May 23, 2005 at 21:16:26, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On May 23, 2005 at 11:24:03, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 23, 2005 at 11:18:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 23, 2005 at 11:07:32, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Well done. I did look at a few of the games myself and came to a similar >>>>>>>conclusion. Pablo's trick would not work so well at long time controls, I >>>>>>>think. He certainly could not do it "on demand" such as in a six-game showdown >>>>>>>at 120 0. But even though it's a lame trick, it should be allowed and >>>>>>>programmers are responsible to fight against tricks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I think the ICC rule 7 is wrong-headed. If I were running ICC, I would allow >>>>>>>repeating lines against programs. It is the programmer's responsibility to make >>>>>>>a better program than to allow itself to be exploited. It is just another >>>>>>>program weakness that needs fixing. There is no need to defend program >>>>>>>weaknesses with extra rules. I would allow (and even encourage) players to >>>>>>>punish such programmer oversights relentlessly. That's how you get better >>>>>>>programs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I'd bet money Bob Hyatt agrees with me on this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>:) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Pretty much. >>>>>> >>>>>>I've always been a believer in "take control of your own destiny." >>>>>> >>>>>>I'd be more than willing to have him play crafty in 3 0 games as long as he >>>>>>wants. And I'd bet money crafty will _never_ lose a 3 0 game against a human. >>>>>>And it won't lose against a computer unless the game is _way_ long, say 500 or >>>>>>more moves... >>>>>> >>>>>>There are really two kinds of people in the world. >>>>>> >>>>>>1. The kind that complain when something is exploited. >>>>>> >>>>>>2. The kind that recognize when something is exploited and then fix it so that >>>>>>it can't be exploited again. I went thru this in losing to very fast humans (no >>>>>>longer possible), repeating bad opening lines (book learning helps but doesn't >>>>>>totally solve it but positional learning offers even more help; The "trojan >>>>>>horse attack" was killing everyone and producing lots of complaints. I chose to >>>>>>prevent the attack. Etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Speaking of Crafty, where is it? It seems to have gone AWOL on ICC. :) >>>> >>>> >>>>No idea. Looks like a network glitch snapped the connection without telling my >>>>end it was closed. I just restarted xboard...
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