Author: Lar Mader
Date: 19:14:43 05/26/05
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>> >>I think that it is correct only if we have not the games >>but based on analyzing the games deeper blue did blunders that even free >>programs can avoid today at tournament time control on fast hardware. >> >>[D]R7/1r3kp1/1qQb1p1p/1p1PpP2/1Pp1B3/2P4P/6P1/6K1 w - - 0 1 >> >>finding Kh1 and not Kf1 is easy for free programs like Fruit and Yace when >>Deep Blue failed to find that move. >> >>I saw no impressive move in the games of deep blue against kasparov that top >>programs need hours to find so I guess that the top programs of today are simply >>better than Deep Blue. >> >>Uri > >I need to correct it for yace > >Yace finds Kh1 but later changes it's mind to Kf1 >I thought that it rejected Kf1 for the correct reason when it has in the pv Qe3 >but later it changes it's mind and has in the pv Qxc6 and not Qe3. > >Fruit seems to have no problem with that position. > >New game, 40'/40 >R7/1r3kp1/1qQb1p1p/1p1PpP2/1Pp1B3/2P4P/6P1/6K1 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Yace 0.99.87: > >1.Qxb6 Rxb6 > = (0.13) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >1.Kh2 Qxc6 2.dxc6 > = (0.24) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 > ² (0.27) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 > ² (0.27) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 > ² (0.27) Depth: 2 00:00:00 >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 > ² (0.27) Depth: 2 00:00:00 >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 > ² (0.27) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.Qxb6 Rxb6 2.Ra7+ Bc7 3.Rxc7+ Kf8 > ² (0.28) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.Qxb6 Rxb6 2.Ra7+ Be7 3.g3 > ² (0.33) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.Qxb6 Rxb6 2.Ra7+ Be7 3.g3 > ² (0.33) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.Qxb6 Rxb6 2.g3 h5 3.Ra7+ Be7 > = (0.24) Depth: 4 00:00:00 >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Ke7 > = (0.25) Depth: 4 00:00:00 >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.g3 > ² (0.27) Depth: 4 00:00:00 >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.g3 > ² (0.27) Depth: 4 00:00:00 >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rb8 3.Ra7+ Bc7 4.Rxc7+ Kf8 > ² (0.67) Depth: 5 00:00:00 >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rb8 3.Ra7+ Be7 4.Bd5+ Ke8 5.c7 Rc8 > ² (0.69) Depth: 5 00:00:00 >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rb8 3.Ra7+ Be7 4.Bd5+ Ke8 5.c7 Rc8 > ² (0.69) Depth: 5 00:00:00 >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rb8 3.Ra7+ Kf8 4.Rd7 Be7 > ± (0.72) Depth: 6/16 00:00:00 21kN >1.Kh2 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rb8 3.Ra7+ Be7 4.Bd5+ Ke8 5.c7 Rb6 6.c8Q+ Bd8 > ± (0.73) Depth: 6/16 00:00:00 37kN >1.Kh2 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rb8 3.Ra7+ Kf8 4.Rd7 Be7 5.c7 Rc8 > ± (0.81) Depth: 6/16 00:00:00 40kN >1.Kh2 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rb8 3.Ra7+ Kf8 4.Rd7 Be7 5.c7 Rc8 > ± (0.81) Depth: 6/18 00:00:01 41kN >1.Kh2 Rb8 2.Qd7+ Kg8 3.Ra7 Bf8 4.g3 Qf2+ 5.Bg2 Kh7 6.d6 > ± (0.71) Depth: 7/18 00:00:01 120kN >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rb8 3.Ra7+ Kf8 4.Rd7 Kg8 > ± (0.72) Depth: 7/18 00:00:01 133kN >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rb8 3.Ra7+ Kf8 4.Rd7 Be7 5.c7 Rc8 > ± (0.85) Depth: 7/18 00:00:01 142kN >1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rb8 3.Ra7+ Kf8 4.Rd7 Be7 5.c7 Rc8 > ± (0.85) Depth: 7/20 00:00:01 185kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Qd7+ Kg8 3.Ra7 Bf8 4.Qe6+ Kh7 5.Qf7 Qe3 6.Qg6+ Kh8 > ± (0.72) Depth: 8/21 00:00:01 261kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Qd7+ Kg8 3.Ra7 Bf8 4.Qe6+ Kh7 5.Qf7 Qe3 6.Qg6+ Kh8 > ± (0.72) Depth: 8/22 00:00:01 410kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Qd7+ Kg8 3.Ra7 Bf8 4.Qf7+ Kh7 5.Ke2 Rd8 6.Qg6+ Kg8 7.Rf7 > ² (0.64) Depth: 9/22 00:00:01 561kN >1.Kh2 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Be7 4.Ra7 h5 5.Bd5+ Kf8 6.c7 Ra8 > ² (0.65) Depth: 9/22 00:00:01 907kN >1.Kh2 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kg8 4.Ra7 Kh7 5.Rd7 Bf8 6.c7 Rc8 > ± (0.71) Depth: 9/22 00:00:01 970kN >1.Kh2 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kg8 4.Ra7 Kh7 5.Rd7 Bf8 6.c7 Rc8 > ± (0.71) Depth: 9/26 00:00:02 1113kN >1.Kh2 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kg8 4.Ra7 Kh7 5.Rd7 Bf8 6.c7 Rc8 7.g3 > ± (0.80) Depth: 10/26 00:00:02 1479kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 h5 5.Rd7 Be7 6.c7 Bd8 > ± (0.81) Depth: 10/30 00:00:02 2318kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 > ± (0.83) Depth: 10/30 00:00:02 2450kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 > ± (0.83) Depth: 10/30 00:00:02 2670kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Bd5 Rb8 6.Rf7+ Ke8 7.Rxg7 Rd8 > ± (1.03) Depth: 11/32 00:00:03 4174kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Bd5 Rb8 6.Rf7+ Ke8 7.Rxg7 Rd8 > ± (1.03) Depth: 11/34 00:00:03 4975kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Rb7 Rb8 6.Rd7 Be7 7.c7 Kg8 > ± (1.08) Depth: 12/41 00:00:07 10063kN >1.Kh2 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Rb7 Rb8 6.Rd7 Be7 7.c7 Rb7 8.c8Q+ >Kf7 > ± (1.09) Depth: 12/41 00:00:08 10827kN >1.Kh2 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Bb1 > ± (1.11) Depth: 12/41 00:00:09 11882kN >1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kg8 4.Ra7 Kh7 5.Rd7 Bf8 6.c7 Rb7 7.c8Q Kh8 > ± (1.12) Depth: 12/41 00:00:11 14655kN >1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kg8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Rb7 Rb8 6.Rd7 Rc8 7.Rxd6 Kh7 > ± (1.14) Depth: 12/41 00:00:11 15138kN >1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kg8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Rb7 Rb8 6.Rd7 Rc8 7.Rxd6 Kh7 > ± (1.14) Depth: 12/41 00:00:11 15138kN >1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.h4 Kg8 6.Rb7 Rb8 7.Rd7 > ± (0.93) Depth: 13/45 00:00:15 20137kN >1.Kh2 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Rb7 Rb8 6.Rd7 Rc8 7.Rxd6 Rc7 > ± (0.94) Depth: 13/45 00:00:16 21682kN >1.Kh2 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Rb7 Ke8 6.Rxb5 Rc7 7.g3 h5 8.Ra5 > +- (1.50) Depth: 13/46 00:00:23 30638kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Rb7 Rb8 6.Rd7 Rc8 7.Rxd6 h5 > +- (1.51) Depth: 13/46 00:00:34 42727kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Rb7 Rc7 6.Rxb5 Ke8 7.g3 Bxb4 8.cxb4 >Ke7 > +- (1.53) Depth: 13/46 00:00:39 48302kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Rb7 Rc7 6.Rxb5 Ke8 7.g3 Bxb4 8.cxb4 >Ke7 > +- (1.53) Depth: 13/46 00:00:39 48546kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qe3 3.Qxd6 Re8 4.h4 Re7 5.Bf3 Qc1+ 6.Kf2 Qd2+ 7.Kg3 Qe1+ 8.Kh3 >Qh1+ 9.Kg4 e4 10.Qf4 exf3 11.Qxf3 > ± (1.31) Depth: 14/46 00:02:04 140058kN >1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Kh2 h5 6.Rb7 Rb8 7.Rd7 Rc8 8.Rxd6 >Kf7 > ± (1.32) Depth: 14/54 00:02:36 175070kN >1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Rb7 h5 6.Rxb5 Ke7 7.Ra5 Rc7 8.g4 h4 > +- (1.45) Depth: 14/54 00:02:44 184404kN >1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Rb7 h5 6.Rxb5 Ke7 7.Ra5 Rc7 8.g4 h4 > +- (1.45) Depth: 14/54 00:02:44 184837kN >1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Rc8 4.Ra5 Ke8 5.Kh2 Bc7 6.Rxb5 Rb8 7.Rc5 g6 8.fxg6 >Ke7 > +- (1.48) Depth: 15/54 00:03:02 204824kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qe3 3.Qxd6 Re8 4.h4 Re7 5.Bf3 Qc1+ 6.Kf2 Qd2+ 7.Kg3 Qe1+ 8.Kg4 >e4 9.Qd8 Rd7 10.Qxd7+ Kf8 > +- (1.49) Depth: 15/59 00:04:09 277144kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qe3 3.Qxd6 Re8 4.h4 > +- (1.49) Depth: 15/59 00:05:07 339937kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qe3 3.Qxd6 Re8 4.h4 > +- (1.49) Depth: 15/59 00:05:44 380942kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Bd5 Rc7 6.Ra8+ Ke7 7.Rg8 h5 8.Rxg7+ >Ke8 9.Rg8+ Bf8 10.Rh8 Rg7 11.Rxh5 Bxb4 12.cxb4 > +- (1.81) Depth: 16/59 00:10:07 653799kN >1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Bd5 Rc7 6.Ra8+ Ke7 7.Rg8 h5 8.Rxg7+ >Ke8 9.Rg8+ Bf8 10.Rh8 Rg7 11.Rxh5 Bxb4 12.cxb4 > +- (1.81) Depth: 16/61 00:11:43 766649kN > >(, 26.05.2005) > >Uri Shredder 9 needs 10 mins 13 secs (on my P4 3.06 Ghz machine) to realize that Kh1 is correct. But given how fast Deeper Blue was, this is still a pretty good result: New game, R7/1r3kp1/1qQb1p1p/1p1PpP2/1Pp1B3/2P4P/6P1/6K1 w - - 0 1 Analysis by Deep Shredder 9: 1.Qxb6 ² (0.41) Depth: 1/2 00:00:00 1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.g4 ± (0.97) Depth: 5/10 00:00:00 1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.g4 ± (0.97) Depth: 5/10 00:00:00 1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.g4 ± (0.97) Depth: 5/10 00:00:00 1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.g4 ± (0.97) Depth: 5/10 00:00:00 1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.g4 ± (0.97) Depth: 5/10 00:00:00 1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.g4 ± (0.97) Depth: 5/10 00:00:00 1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.g4 ± (0.97) Depth: 5/10 00:00:00 1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.g4 ± (0.97) Depth: 5/10 00:00:00 1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.g4 ± (0.97) Depth: 5/10 00:00:00 1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.g4 ± (0.97) Depth: 5/10 00:00:00 1.Kf1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.g4 ± (0.97) Depth: 5/10 00:00:00 1.Kh1 ± (0.98) Depth: 5/10 00:00:00 1.Kh1 Qxc6 ± (1.14) Depth: 5/12 00:00:00 1.Kh2 ± (1.15) Depth: 5/12 00:00:00 1.Kh2 Qxc6 2.dxc6 ± (1.20) Depth: 5/12 00:00:00 1.Kh2 Rb8 2.Qd7+ Kg8 3.Ra7 ± (1.27) Depth: 6/14 00:00:00 1.Kh2 Rb8 ± (1.02) Depth: 7/15 00:00:00 42kN 1.Kh2 Rb8 ± (1.02) Depth: 7/15 00:00:00 46kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Qd7+ Kg8 3.Ra7 Bf8 4.Qe6+ Kh7 5.Qf7 Qe3 ± (1.15) Depth: 7/15 00:00:00 49kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Qd7+ Kg8 3.Ra7 Bf8 4.Qe6+ Kh7 5.Qf7 Qe3 ± (1.15) Depth: 7/15 00:00:00 53kN 1.Kh1 ± (1.16) Depth: 7/16 00:00:00 74kN 1.Kh1 Rb8 ± (1.16) Depth: 7/17 00:00:00 102kN 1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Qd7+ Kg8 3.Ra7 Bf8 4.Qe6+ Kh8 5.Qxb6 Rxb6 6.g4 Kg8 7.Kg2 Rd6 ± (0.98) Depth: 8/18 00:00:00 135kN 1.Kh2 Rb8 2.Qd7+ Kg8 3.Ra7 Bf8 4.Qe6+ Kh7 5.Qxb6 Rxb6 6.g4 Kg8 7.Kg3 Rd6 ± (1.00) Depth: 8/18 00:00:00 140kN 1.Kh2 Rb8 2.Qd7+ Kg8 3.Ra7 Bf8 4.Qe6+ Kh7 5.Qxb6 Rxb6 6.g4 Kg8 7.Kg3 Rd6 ± (1.00) Depth: 8/18 00:00:00 145kN 1.Kf1 +- (1.46) Depth: 8/18 00:00:00 150kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Qd7+ +- (1.74) Depth: 8/19 00:00:00 187kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 +- (1.49) Depth: 9/21 00:00:00 231kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 +- (1.46) Depth: 9/21 00:00:00 236kN 1.Kh1 +- (1.47) Depth: 9/21 00:00:00 285kN 1.Kh1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.Ra5 Ke7 4.Rxb5 Ra7 5.g4 Kd8 6.Kg2 Kc7 +- (1.56) Depth: 9/25 00:00:00 387kN 1.Kh1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.Ra5 Ke7 4.Rxb5 Ra7 5.g4 Kd8 6.Kg2 Ra2+ 7.Kf3 Kc7 +- (1.70) Depth: 10/20 00:00:01 468kN 1.Kh1 Qxc6 2.dxc6 Rc7 3.Bd5+ Ke7 4.Rg8 g5 5.fxg6 f5 6.Rh8 Kf6 7.Rxh6 +- (1.69) Depth: 11/24 00:00:01 731kN 1.Kh1 Qxc6 +- (1.44) Depth: 12/37 00:00:02 1430kN 1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kg8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.g4 Kf8 6.Kg1 Rc7 ± (1.29) Depth: 12/39 00:00:03 1980kN 1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kg8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.g4 Kh7 6.Rd7 Bc7 7.Kg2 +- (1.53) Depth: 13/26 00:00:05 2749kN 1.Kf1 +- (1.54) Depth: 13/35 00:00:06 3377kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 h5 +- (1.88) Depth: 13/35 00:00:06 3736kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 +- (2.13) Depth: 14/38 00:00:09 5431kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 +- (2.38) Depth: 14/38 00:00:10 6290kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 5.Rb7 h5 +- (2.37) Depth: 15/43 00:00:14 8488kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Kf8 4.Ra7 Rc8 +- (2.55) Depth: 16/43 00:00:23 13865kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 +- (2.30) Depth: 17/48 00:01:29 49964kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 +- (1.80) Depth: 17/48 00:01:53 63109kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qe3 3.Qxd6 Re8 4.h4 Qxe4 5.Ra7+ +- (1.80) Depth: 17/50 00:03:44 119708kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 +- (1.55) Depth: 18/51 00:06:48 210842kN 1.Kf1 Rb8 2.Qd7+ Kg8 3.Ra7 Bf8 4.Qf7+ Kh8 5.Ke2 Rd8 6.Qb7 Rb8 7.Qxb6 ± (1.21) Depth: 18/51 00:10:02 313444kN 1.Kh1 ± (1.22) Depth: 18/51 00:10:13 319327kN 1.Kh1 +- (1.57) Depth: 18/51 00:10:19 322612kN 1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qe3 +- (2.18) Depth: 18/51 00:11:44 370017kN 1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Re8 4.Ra7+ Re7 5.Ra5 h5 +- (2.33) Depth: 19/51 00:12:24 391645kN 1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Rc8 4.Ra7+ Rc7 5.Ra8 Bf8 6.Ra5 Bd6 7.g4 Ke7 8.Ra8 +- (2.36) Depth: 20/51 00:15:31 484941kN 1.Kh1 Rb8 2.Ra6 Qxc6 3.dxc6 Rc8 4.Ra7+ Rc7 5.Ra8 Bf8 6.Ra5 Bd6 7.g4 Ke7 8.Ra8 +- (2.36) Depth: 21/54 00:19:48 608403kN
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