Author: Mark Ryan
Date: 16:42:54 05/27/05
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On May 27, 2005 at 11:43:14, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On May 27, 2005 at 11:15:21, Roger D Davis wrote: > >>On May 27, 2005 at 10:23:21, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On May 27, 2005 at 09:32:20, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>> >>>>>It's regurarly playing at chessbase server, operated by the sheik in own person. >>>>> >>>>>Additional i've seen it in a tournament or 7 now. First under the name brutus >>>>>now under the name hydra. In fact i saw it play a few months ago in my own >>>>>person in Paderborn 2005. >>>>> >>>>>Vincent >>>> >>>>Now that you have pointed out the elephant in the room, do you have any >>>>games/positions or is it just a feeling you have? >>> >>>This is like asking a formula 1 driver whether he's incapable of judging what >>>happens at other teams. >>> >>>The knowledge the programmers have about the other chessprograms is far bigger >>>than you can imagine. Not only because of the many chats and email traffic >>>between the programmers. >>> >>>The additional advantage i have is that i'm FM. Just from a single output in a >>>single position from amateur programs i can already usually see whether they >>>have a bug somewhere. Either in hashtable, in a certain pattern, or whatever. >>> >>>Many amateur programmers can testify to this. >>> >>>Now instead of a single output there is quite some more data, to say it polite. >>> >>>You must not underestimate this. >>> >>>If Uri Blass can already draw a lot of conclusions from 6 game outputs from Deep >>>Blue, what can others do with all the data that is there about hydra? >>> >>>Additional, and you have to praise him for that, Chrilly is not working in >>>secrecy. He is even regurarly posting at CSS. Usually postings about what he >>>knows from Shredder. >>> >>>Vincent >> >>Vincent, >> >>Maybe you should contact Adams and coach him. Point out what you think are >>Hydras weaknesses. Tell him how he can avoid playing into Hydra's strengths. >>Otherwise, he's potentially walking into a minefield. But if you understand the >>programs so well, and the fact that you're an FM, Adams would greatly benefit >>from having you "on his team." >> >>Roger > >As a matter of fact you're correct. The whole point will be whether Adams >prepares and even then there is other GM's who qualify him as the easiest >opponent for the computer of all top 50 world GM's, to quote 1 french GM: >"because Mickey overlooks so much tactics when he plays a tactical middlegame as >compared to other top GM's". > >If those GM's are correct, Adams makes no chance. Yet i'll be the last to shout >he has no chance at all. I feel people are too much used to the strongpoints of >todays software to realize that Hydra has a few real weak spots. > >To answer your next question, yes i have 2 email adresses from Adams. > >Training someone however is a fulltime job that takes months of preparement. > >Adams is more busy with other tournaments than the hydra match. He just shows up >there and sees what he can do there. > >I hope you realize what i mean. > >But he will play, do not worry. He's not Kasparov. Adams is a honest man. > >Vincent Vincent, you have a lot of insight into Hydra as a programmer and FM. If you were playing a match against Hydra, and you really wanted to get the best possible score against it (even if you began by just trying to find a way to get one draw or one win), what sort of preparations would you make, how would you play against it, what openings would you prefer, where would you try to find advantages? Mark
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