Author: Eelco de Groot
Date: 22:55:12 05/28/05
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On May 28, 2005 at 23:05:55, K. Burcham wrote: > >It takes Pro Deo over 50 minutes to see f5 loses. >How does Movei do in this position? > >00:50:50.8 -2.44 17 201489916 35...f5 36.h4 > >[Event "SSDF"] >[Site "Tony Hedlund"] >[Date "2005.05.27"] >[Round "22"] >[White "Shredder 9 UCI A1200"] >[Black "Pro Deo 1.1 A1200"] >[Result "1-0"] >[ECO "C78"] > >1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 Bb7 7. d3 Be7 8. c4 >O-O 9. Nc3 bxc4 10. Bxc4 d6 11. a3 Na5 12. Ba2 c5 13. Bg5 Nc6 14. Bxf6 Bxf6 15. >Bd5 Rb8 16. Nd2 Bg5 17. Nc4 Qd7 18. Qh5 h6 19. Rab1 Ne7 20. Bxb7 Rxb7 21. b4 >cxb4 22. Rxb4 Rxb4 23. axb4 Rb8 24. Rb1 Ng6 25. Qd1 Nf4 26. Ne3 Rb6 27. Ncd5 >Nxd5 28. Nxd5 Rc6 29. Ra1 Qc8 30. h3 Bh4 31. g3 Bg5 32. Kg2 Kh8 33. Qb3 Kh7 34. >b5 axb5 35. Ra7 f5 > >35...f5 loses >35...Ra6 Draws > >(35... Ra6 36. Ne7 Bxe7 37. Rxe7 d5 38. Qxd5 Rf6 39. Rxe5 b4 >40. Qb3 Qc1 41. Qxb4 Qd1 42. Rf5 Rxf5 43. exf5 Qxd3 44. Qg4) > >36. h4 Bd8 37. Rf7 >Rc2 38. Rxf5 Rd2 39. Rf8 Qc2 40. Qxb5 Qxd3 41. Qe8 Qxe4+ 42. Kh2 Rxf2+ 43. Rxf2 >Bxh4 44. Rf8 Bxg3+ 45. Kxg3 Qd3+ 46. Kg4 Qe4+ 47. Nf4 Qxf4+ 48. Rxf4 exf4 49. >Kh5 d5 50. Qf7 d4 51. Qf5+ Kh8 52. Kg6 Kg8 53. Qc8# 1-0 > > > > > [D] 2q5/R4ppk/2rp3p/1p1Np1b1/4P3/1Q1P2PP/5PK1/8 b - - 0 1 > >Shredder 8: >2200 mhz Athlon 64 >432 hash > >35...Rc5 36.Rxf7 Qe8 37.Rb7 Qc6 38.Ne7 Bxe7 39.Qg8+ Kxg8 > ± (0.97) Depth: 10/23 00:00:01 678kN >35...Rc1 36.Qxb5 Qe6 37.Qb7 Kg6 38.g4 > ± (1.16) Depth: 11/19 00:00:01 913kN >35...Ra6 36.Ne7 > ± (0.96) Depth: 12/17 00:00:02 1570kN >35...Ra6 36.Ne7 Bxe7 37.Qxf7 > ± (0.96) Depth: 16/21 00:00:09 5921kN >35...Ra6 36.Ne7 Bxe7 37.Rxe7 Ra8 38.Qxb5 Ra1 39.Qd7 Qxd7 40.Rxd7 Ra6 41.Rxf7 Ra3 >42.Rf3 g5 43.g4 Kg6 44.Kg3 Rc3 45.h4 > ± (0.93) Depth: 17/42 00:00:35 22377kN >35...Ra6 36.Ne7 Bxe7 37.Rxe7 Ra8 38.Qxb5 Ra1 39.Qd7 Qxd7 40.Rxd7 Ra6 41.Rxf7 Ra3 >42.Rf3 g5 43.Kf1 Ra1+ 44.Ke2 Kg7 45.h4 > ± (1.06) Depth: 18/46 00:01:05 41010kN >35...Ra6 36.Ne7 Bxe7 37.Rxe7 Ra8 38.Qxb5 Ra1 39.Qd7 Qxd7 40.Rxd7 Ra6 41.Rxf7 Ra3 >42.Rf3 Rb3 43.Kf1 Rb2 44.Rf8 Rd2 45.Kg2 > ± (1.06) Depth: 19/49 00:02:04 78871kN >35...Ra6 36.Ne7 Bxe7 37.Rxe7 Ra8 38.Qxb5 f5 39.Qd5 fxe4 40.dxe4 Qf8 41.Rf7 Qg8 >42.Qe6 Kh8 43.Qf5 Rc8 44.h4 Rd8 45.f4 exf4 46.Qxf4 d5 > ± (1.04) Depth: 20/50 00:04:04 154786kN >35...Ra6 36.Ne7 Bxe7 37.Rxe7 d5 38.Qxd5 Rf6 39.Rxe5 b4 40.Qb3 Qd7 41.Rd5 Qe7 >42.Rb5 Qa7 43.Qc2 Qd4 44.Rb7 > ± (1.10) Depth: 21/51 00:08:03 303325kN >35...Ra6 36.Ne7 Bxe7 37.Rxe7 d5 38.Qxd5 Rf6 39.Rxe5 b4 40.Qb3 Qc1 41.Qxb4 Qd1 >42.Rf5 Rxf5 43.exf5 Qxd3 44.Qg4 Qb1 45.Qf3 Qe1 46.Qd5 > ± (1.03) Depth: 22/53 00:14:56 560496kN >35...Ra6 36.Ne7 Bxe7 37.Rxe7 d5 38.Qxd5 Rf6 39.Rxe5 b4 40.Qb3 Qd7 41.Rd5 Qe7 >42.Rb5 Qa7 43.Qc2 Qd4 44.Rb7 Rb6 45.Rxf7 b3 46.Qb1 Kh8 47.f4 > ± (1.07) Depth: 23/58 00:30:24 1130273kN >35...Ra6 36.Ne7 Bxe7 37.Rxe7 d5 38.Qxd5 Rf6 39.Rxe5 b4 40.Qb3 Qc1 41.Qxb4 Qd1 >42.Rf5 Rxf5 43.exf5 Qxd3 44.Qg4 Qd8 45.Qc4 Qa8+ 46.f3 Qa5 47.g4 Qd2+ 48.Kf1 Qe3 >49.Qe2 > ± (1.07) Depth: 24/60 00:55:03 2037195kN > > > >Pro Deo 1.1 >default settings > >00:00:00.4 1.38 6 48911 Rc1 Nb6 Qe6 Qxe6 fxe6 Ra3 Rc2 >00:00:00.4 1.22 7 92272 Rc1 Rxf7 Ra1 Qc3 Qxc3 Nxc3 b4 >00:00:00.6 0.93 8 317018 Rc1 Rxf7 Re1 Qc3 Qxc3 Nxc3 b4 Nb5 Rd1 Nxd6 >00:00:00.8 0.93 9 647638 Rc1 Rxf7 Re1 Qc3 Qxc3 Nxc3 b4 Nb5 Rd1 Nxd6 >00:00:01.7 0.41 10 1755073 Rc1 Rxf7 Qg8 Rf5 Qb8 Kh2 Re1 h4 Bd8 >00:00:05.2 0.41 11 6445738 Rc1 Rxf7 Qg8 Rf5 Qa8 Qb2 Qc6 Kh2 Qc2 Qxc2 >00:00:13.4 -0.30 12 18263195 Rc1 Qxb5 Rd1 Qd7 Qxd7 Rxd7 Rxd3 Rxf7 Rd4 f4 exf4 >gxf4 Rd2+ Kf3 >00:00:18.8 0.01 12 25675073 Rc5 Rxf7 Qg8 Ra7 Qe6 Qb4 Qc8 Qa3 Qf8 Ra8 Bd8 Kf1 Rc2 >00:00:35.9 -0.14 13 49480470 Rc5 Rxf7 Qg8 d4 Qxf7 dxc5 >00:00:59.8 -0.12 13 84584920 f5 h4 >00:01:24.4 -0.14 14 120806662 f5 h4 >00:01:52.8 -0.03 14 162231233 Ra6 Rxa6 Qxa6 Nc7 Qa7 Nxb5 Qc5 Qc4 Bd2 Qxc5 dxc5 >00:02:33.7 -0.14 15 221137541 Ra6 Ne7 >00:04:57.6 -0.26 16 432189780 Ra6 Ne7 >00:07:26.5 -0.25 16 659586480 f5 h4 >00:50:50.8 -2.44 17 201489916 f5 h4 >00:53:45.7 -0.50 17 456633399 Ra6 Ne7 >00:56:20.0 -0.50 17 684154655 Rc5 >01:11:06.0 -0.50 17 456633399 Ra6 Ne7 > >kburcham I don't know about Movei, but the Q1d8d (sorry for the complicated names)tactical settings for Pro deo don't seem to do so bad here. Pro Deo 1.1 Vulcan Q1d8d -Tactical Engine does not play f5, it does think about it for a while. It does not quickly play Ra6 but does eventually give a draw score for it, expecting White to exchange Rooks. I thought the drawscore at 15 and 16 ply was nice. 00:00:00.2 2,76 5 19347 b4 Rc7 Rxc7 Nxc7 d5 Qxb4 00:00:00.2 0,21 6 49262 b4 Nxb4 Rc7 Rxc7 Qxc7 d4 Qd7 00:00:00.2 2,51 6 62629 Rc1 Rc7 Rxc7 Nxc7 Qxc7 h4 Bxh4 gxh4 00:00:00.2 2,50 7 94124 Rc1 Rc7 Rxc7 Nxc7 Qxc7 h4 Bxh4 gxh4 Qe7 Kg3 00:00:00.3 2,50 8 211613 Rc1 Rc7 Rxc7 Nxc7 Qxc7 h4 Bxh4 gxh4 Qe7 Kg3 00:00:01.3 0,22 9 1373894 Rc1 Qxb5 Kg6 Qd7 Qxd7 Rxd7 Rc2 h4 Bc1 Rb7 00:00:04.1 1,13 9 4774077 Rc5 Qd1 Rc1 Qg4 Qe6 00:00:05.5 0,56 10 6386999 Rc5 Qd1 Qe6 Qf3 Qg6 Kh2 Bd8 Rd7 Rxd5 Rxd8 00:00:05.7 0,56 10 6668382 Rc1 00:00:07.1 1,58 10 8400284 Rc1 Nb6 Qe6 Qxe6 fxe6 Nd7 Rc2 Nf8+ Kg8 Nxe6 Be3 Rb7 Rxf2+ 00:00:12.7 0,00 11 15999725 Rc1 Qxb5 Kg6 Qb7 Qe6 Nc7 Qe7 Nd5 Qe6 Nc7 Qe7 Nd5 00:00:16.8 0,66 11 21209605 Rc5 Qd1 f5 Qh5 Qe6 00:00:32.3 0,34 12 41769612 Rc5 Rxf7 Qg8 Rf5 Qe8 h4 Bd8 00:01:02.8 0,13 13 82291269 Rc5 Rxf7 Qg8 Rf5 Kh8 00:02:40.4 0,05 14 213893622 Rc5 Rxf7 Qg8 d4 00:08:09.2 -0,19 15 654919302 Rc5 Rxf7 Qg8 d4 00:18:55.9 -0,10 15 1523321991 Rc2 h4 Rxf2+ Kxf2 Qc5+ 00:24:19.2 0,00 15 1966286729 Ra6 Rxa6 Qxa6 00:27:03.1 0,00 16 2199013309 Ra6 Rxa6 Qxa6 Nc7 Qa7 Qxf7 After entering 35..Ra6 36.Ne7 also a draw score and reasonable PV after 5 minutes (Athlon 3200+, 200 MB HT) 00:00:00.2 -1,97 1 11 Rxa7 Nxc8 00:00:00.2 1,07 1 29 Bxe7 Rxe7 00:00:00.2 1,93 2 329 Bxe7 Rxa6 Qxa6 Qxf7 00:00:00.2 1,72 3 858 Bxe7 Rxa6 Qxa6 d4 00:00:00.2 1,99 4 3875 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Qb2 Rf6 00:00:00.2 1,58 5 18494 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Rxf7 Ra1 Qxd5 Rc1 00:00:00.2 1,36 6 35629 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Rxf7 Qc1 f4 Qd2+ Kh1 00:00:00.3 1,13 7 88400 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Rxf7 Qc1 Qxd5 Rg6 Qxe5 00:00:00.4 0,90 8 258440 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Qxd5 Rf6 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7 Qc3 f4 Qd2+ 00:00:00.7 0,59 9 583778 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Qxd5 Rf6 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7 Qc3 d4 exd4 Qf5+ Kg8 00:00:01.0 0,86 10 1021824 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Rxf7 Qc1 Qxd5 Ra1 Rxg7+ Kxg7 Qxe5+ Kf7 Qf5+ Ke7 Qe5+ Kf8 Qf6+ Ke8 Qe5+ Kd7 Qxb5+ 00:00:02.7 0,42 11 3031745 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Rxf7 dxe4 Qxb5 Qa8 Rb7 Rf6 Qd7 Qf8 Kh1 Rxf2 00:00:06.0 0,26 12 7443213 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Rxf7 Qc5 Qxd5 Qxd5 exd5 Rd6 f4 exf4 Rxf4 Rxd5 Rb4 g6 d4 Kg7 00:00:13.7 0,12 13 17645977 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Rxf7 Qc5 Qxd5 Qxd5 exd5 Rd6 Rb7 Rxd5 Kf3 00:00:35.7 0,28 14 47215801 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Rxf7 Qc6 Qxd5 Qxd5 exd5 Rb6 d4 exd4 Rf4 b4 00:02:56.5 -0,14 15 237839506 Bxe7 Rxe7 f6 Qxb5 Ra2 Rxg7+ Kxg7 Qb6 Qc2 00:03:13.6 -0,07 16 262165070 Bxe7 Rxe7 f6 Qxb5 Ra2 Qb3 Rc2 Re8 Qxe8 Qxc2 00:04:56.5 0,00 17 401643075 Bxe7 Rxe7 f6 Qxb5 Ra2 Qb3 Thanks Kevin, for looking at some of those Pro Deo - Shredder games, and finding possible mistakes. I really do hope Pro Deo will recover its score a bit there against Shredder 9. If Pro Deo 1.1 is really at 2700, Shredder 9's TPR in this match is now way above 2900... Eelco
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