Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:58:20 05/29/05
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On May 28, 2005 at 05:40:49, pablinhoz wrote: >On May 27, 2005 at 11:43:14, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On May 27, 2005 at 11:15:21, Roger D Davis wrote: >> >>>On May 27, 2005 at 10:23:21, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On May 27, 2005 at 09:32:20, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>>> >>>>>>It's regurarly playing at chessbase server, operated by the sheik in own person. >>>>>> >>>>>>Additional i've seen it in a tournament or 7 now. First under the name brutus >>>>>>now under the name hydra. In fact i saw it play a few months ago in my own >>>>>>person in Paderborn 2005. >>>>>> >>>>>>Vincent >>>>> >>>>>Now that you have pointed out the elephant in the room, do you have any >>>>>games/positions or is it just a feeling you have? >>>> >>>>This is like asking a formula 1 driver whether he's incapable of judging what >>>>happens at other teams. >>>> >>>>The knowledge the programmers have about the other chessprograms is far bigger >>>>than you can imagine. Not only because of the many chats and email traffic >>>>between the programmers. >>>> >>>>The additional advantage i have is that i'm FM. Just from a single output in a >>>>single position from amateur programs i can already usually see whether they >>>>have a bug somewhere. Either in hashtable, in a certain pattern, or whatever. >>>> >>>>Many amateur programmers can testify to this. >>>> >>>>Now instead of a single output there is quite some more data, to say it polite. >>>> >>>>You must not underestimate this. >>>> >>>>If Uri Blass can already draw a lot of conclusions from 6 game outputs from Deep >>>>Blue, what can others do with all the data that is there about hydra? >>>> >>>>Additional, and you have to praise him for that, Chrilly is not working in >>>>secrecy. He is even regurarly posting at CSS. Usually postings about what he >>>>knows from Shredder. >>>> >>>>Vincent >>> >>>Vincent, >>> >>>Maybe you should contact Adams and coach him. Point out what you think are >>>Hydras weaknesses. Tell him how he can avoid playing into Hydra's strengths. >>>Otherwise, he's potentially walking into a minefield. But if you understand the >>>programs so well, and the fact that you're an FM, Adams would greatly benefit >>>from having you "on his team." >>> >>>Roger >> >>As a matter of fact you're correct. The whole point will be whether Adams >>prepares and even then there is other GM's who qualify him as the easiest >>opponent for the computer of all top 50 world GM's, to quote 1 french GM: >>"because Mickey overlooks so much tactics when he plays a tactical middlegame as >>compared to other top GM's". >> > > This is not correct. Just have a look at his games on any database, you will >realise that he's not any weaker at tactics than any other top 10 player in the >world. I have seen him play in playchess.com server and, at least at 3' blitz, >his tactics definitly do the job... > > Pablo I didn't say it was my opinion Pablo. Many GM's told me this story. I hope you realize there is many GM's who just see 1 move and it happens to be a good move. Many of the tactics after it they miss. Against another GM this is a very healthy way of playing. Against computers it is not. I remember i played against Victor Korchnoi for over 7 hours (at which moment i blundered the drawn endgame to a loss). He just made up his mind for 15 minutes for a trivial move, in order to play 7 moves instantly in a row after it. It happened like that each time. Also Bronstein i remember. That game bronstein played in a whole different way. Closer to the western way of playing. Each move you search. But some other russian GM who was near death (and 70+years old) or so and who managed to beat me somehow, he also just played 1 move. No tactics. In fact he played quickly. completely on instinct. No search. Nothing. Just a good move each move. It is a way to beat people. But in some insane unhealthy anti positional game as gets played by programs, being tactical and never missing any move nor sequence of the opponent is a huge advantage. In blitz instinct is very important. > > > >>If those GM's are correct, Adams makes no chance. Yet i'll be the last to shout >>he has no chance at all. I feel people are too much used to the strongpoints of >>todays software to realize that Hydra has a few real weak spots. >> >>To answer your next question, yes i have 2 email adresses from Adams. >> >>Training someone however is a fulltime job that takes months of preparement. >> >>Adams is more busy with other tournaments than the hydra match. He just shows up >>there and sees what he can do there. >> >>I hope you realize what i mean. >> >>But he will play, do not worry. He's not Kasparov. Adams is a honest man. >> >>Vincent
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