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Subject: Re: Bestmove correct in Arasan testsuite?

Author: John Merlino

Date: 15:47:12 05/31/05

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On May 31, 2005 at 18:24:33, Richard Pijl wrote:

>I've been using the arasan testsuites quite a lot as they contain a nice mix of
>different type of positions. Today I was looking at a position that was always
>solved by the Baron in 30 seconds, but not anymore by the latest test version.
>I'm talking about the position with id Arasan.81:
>[D]1B4k1/5p2/K5p1/7p/P4P2/5P2/8/6n1 b - -
>Bestmove is said to be f5, to block the bishop from stopping the black pawn on
>h5 from queening. This seems to be confirmed by many engines with about a draw
>score. But now, after an initial drawish score, the Baron shows a show of minus
>1 pawn in a second, quickly decreasing to - 3 pawns for f5, later switching to
>Nxf3 with a similar score. Somehow f5 doesn't seem to be that good.
>Just to be sure I also checked with Ruffian, and also Ruffian shows a declining
>score for 1..f5, although it needs a little more time to see that.
>One line seems to be 1..f5 2.Ba7 Nxf3 (or 2..Ne2 3.Bf2) 3.Bf2 h4 4.Bxh4 and the
>a-pawn queens as the king and knight are too far away, e.g  4..Nxh4 5.a5 (5..Nf3
>6.Kb6!) Ng2 6.Kb5 Nxf4 7.a6 Nd5 8.a7 Nc7 9.Kc6 Na8 10.Kb7
>Is there anyone that has a drawing(winning?) line for black after 1..f5?
>bye,
>Richard.

The King appears to agree with you. Here is what CM9_R1 says on an AMD 2500:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/7	-0.80	10271		1...Nxf3 2.Kb7 h4 3.a5 h3 4.f5
					h2 5.Bxh2 Nxh2 6.fxg6 fxg6
0:00	1/8	-0.80	14258		1...Nxf3 2.Kb7 h4 3.a5 h3 4.f5
					h2 5.Bxh2 Nxh2 6.fxg6 fxg6
0:00	2/9	-0.57	23410		1...Nxf3 2.Kb7 h4 3.a5 h3 4.f5
					h2 5.Bxh2 Nxh2 6.fxg6 fxg6 7.a6 g5
0:01	3/10	0.28	74344		1...Nxf3 2.a5 h4 3.Kb7 h3 4.f5
					Ng5 5.fxg6 fxg6 6.a6 Nf3
0:02	3/10	-0.66	130015		1...h4 2.a5 f5 3.Kb5 h3 4.a6 h2
					5.a7 h1=Q 6.a8=Q Qxf3 7.Qa2+ Kf8
					8.Bd6+ Kg7
0:02	4/11	-0.27	187762		1...h4 2.a5 Nxf3 3.Kb7 f5 4.a6
					h3 5.a7 h2 6.Be5 h1=Q 7.a8=Q+ Kf7
					8.Qa2+ Kf8 9.Qd5
0:04	5/12	0.00	600381		1...h4 2.f5 Nxf3 3.fxg6 h3 4.gxf7+
					Kxf7 5.Kb7 Ke6 6.Bg3 h2 7.Bxh2
					Nxh2 8.a5 Kd5
0:04	5/12	-0.69	695341		1...f5 2.a5 h4 3.Kb6 h3 4.a6 h2
					5.a7 h1=Q 6.a8=Q Qxf3 7.Qa2+ Kh7
					8.Qf7+ Kh6 9.Be5 Qe3+ 10.Kb5
0:04	6/13	-0.65	843637		1...f5 2.a5 h4 3.Kb6 h3 4.a6 h2
					5.a7 h1=Q 6.a8=Q Qxf3 7.Qa2+ Kh7
					8.Qf7+ Kh6 9.Bd6 Ne2 10.Qf6
0:06	7/14	-0.58	1346266		1...f5 2.Ba7 Nxf3 3.a5 h4 4.Bf2
					h3 5.Bg3 g5 6.fxg5 Nxg5 7.Kb7 Ne4
					8.Bh2 Nc5+ 9.Kb8
0:07	8/15	-0.12	1929788		1...f5 2.Ba7 Nxf3 3.a5 h4 4.Bf2
					h3 5.Bg3 Nd2 6.Kb6 Nc4+ 7.Kb5 Nxa5
					8.Kxa5 Kf7 9.Bh2 Ke6
0:14	9/16	0.21	4257961		1...f5 2.Ba7 Nxf3 3.a5 h4 4.Bf2
					h3 5.Bg3 Kf7 6.Kb7 Nd4 7.a6 Nb5
					8.Kb6 Nd6 9.Bh2
0:37	10/17	0.39	12712030	1...f5 2.Ba7 Nxf3 3.a5 h4 4.Bf2
					h3 5.Bg3 g5 6.Kb7 gxf4 7.Bxf4 Nd4
					8.a6 Nb5 9.Kb6 Nc3 10.a7 Nd5+ 11.Kb7
1:21	11/18	0.93	28271894	1...f5 2.Ba7 Nxf3 3.a5 h4 4.Bf2
					h3 5.Bg3 Nd2 6.Kb5 Ne4 7.a6 Nd6+
					8.Kc6 Nc8 9.Kc7 Na7 10.Kb7 Nb5
					11.Bf2
3:53	12/19	1.81	79405218	1...f5 2.Ba7 Nxf3 3.Bf2 Nd2 4.Kb5
					Nb3 5.Kb4 Nc1 6.a5 Ne2 7.a6 Nxf4
					8.Bg3 Ne2 9.a7 Nxg3 10.a8=Q+ Kg7
					11.Qg2 h4

All other options for Black appear to be even worse.

jm



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