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Subject: I Agree

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 15:19:46 06/03/05

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On June 03, 2005 at 16:57:48, John Merlino wrote:

>On June 03, 2005 at 02:24:17, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On June 02, 2005 at 22:46:17, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On June 02, 2005 at 22:41:14, John Merlino wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 02, 2005 at 22:30:27, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 02, 2005 at 22:09:13, John Merlino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 02, 2005 at 19:53:39, ludicrous wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The first one is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[D]2bqkb1r/1r1n1ppp/p3p3/np6/4PB2/2N2NP1/P1Q2PBP/3R1RK1 w k - 0 16
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>White to move.  Umansky played Nd5!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This looks like a sound sacrifice. However, CM9_R1 does not find it on an AMD
>>>>>>2500 in under three minutes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The next is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tal Mikhail (LAT) - Larsen Bent (DEN) [B82]
>>>>>>>Ch World match (1/2) Bled (Yugoslavia), 10.03.1965
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[D]rqb2rk1/3nbppp/p2pp3/6P1/1p1BPP2/2NB1Q2/PPP4P/2KR3R w - - 0 16
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tal played 16. Nd5!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But THIS looks like one of those infamous Tal "sacrifices" that did nothing more
>>>>>>than put the fear of God into his opponent. The King prefers many different
>>>>>>moves for Black other than the ones that Larsen played:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>17...g6 (score of -1.25) instead of 17...f5 (-0.50)
>>>>>>18...Bd8 (score of -1.94) instead of 18...Rf7 (-1.05)
>>>>>>19...Nc5 (score of -1.27) instead of 18...Bb7 (+0.75)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course, this requires more intense analysis, but the early verdict is that
>>>>>>Tal stole another one.... :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jm
>>>>>
>>>>>John the sac is sound, you can't take the Night without risk and if it lives it
>>>>>wins. If you mess with this long enough and go deep enough White's pieces are
>>>>>too much for Black's King. Maybe you can muster a defence, but it will be tough.
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't trust the King program that much...it fails to grasp sacs like Nxe6! in
>>>>>the Carro-Kann.
>>>>>
>>>>>1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dc 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Bd3 Ngf6 6.Ng5 e6 7.Nf3 h6? 8.Nxe6!
>>>>>
>>>>>This test might be better suited for Junior or Rebel:)
>>>>>
>>>>>Terry
>>>>>
>>>>>The King is badly confused by this sac.
>>>>
>>>>Well, I can't argue with you there.
>>>>
>>>>But just because The King doesn't find one (or two) sacs doesn't mean that those
>>>>sacs are necessarily sound. As I pointed out in my follow-up, apparently this
>>>>jury is still out on this move.
>>>>
>>>>All I was saying was that there is possibly a way that Black could have
>>>>"mustered a defense", starting with 16...g6 instead of 16...f5.
>>>>
>>>>jm
>>>
>>>Yet another follow-up... :-) First of all, it should be 17...g6 instead of
>>>16...g6 above.
>>>
>>>I should also have included playing 18...Bd8 instead of 18...Rf7. So, the whole
>>>line I suggest, starting with the sac, is 16.Nd5 exd5 17.exd5 g6 18.Rde1 Bd8,
>>>and Black has solidified rather than ran forward and started exchanging pieces
>>>and allowing White a big attack.
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>>
>>
>>16.Nd5 exd5 17.exd5 g6 18.Rhe1 Bd8 19.Qh3 Ne5 20.Qh6 Bb6 21.f5
>>gxf5 22.Bxb6 Ng4 23.Bd4 Nxh6 24.gxh6 f6 25.Re7 Rf7 26.Re8+ Rf8 27.Re7
>>Rf7 28.Re8+ Rf8 29.Re7 =
>>
>>
>>I think:)
>
>I think you might be right. However, I don't think the point of White playing a
>sacrifice is to get a draw. :-)
>
>jm

I think Tal may have been playing poker with Nd5!? It does look good, but it
likely draws.

So you're right...it was one of those infamous Tal Sacs:-0

Terry



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