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Subject: Re: Engines Test Position

Author: Andreas Guettinger

Date: 16:36:48 06/03/05

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On June 03, 2005 at 19:00:30, Christos Gitsis wrote:

>This is from one of my tournament games.
>
>[D] R7/6k1/P7/6pp/8/r6P/5PK1/8 w - - 1 42
>
>My opponent, playing White, set a trap for me in this position with his last
>move 42.h4.
>
>After 42...gxh4? white wins with a7 and f2-f4-f5-f6+:
>If then ...Kf7 white plays Rh8 Rxa7 Rh7+ followed by Rxa7.
>If ...Kxf6 Rf8+ wins.
>
>I suppose this is too deep for the engines, while an expert human player should
>avoid the trap.
>
>After 42...g4 the position is equal.
>
>Is there an engine that plays 42...g4?

I think most engines will find g4 as response to 42. h4. On todays hardware the
engines see quite deep in the endgame.

Crafty is fast here, it takes 7s, Yace_PB 26s and TogaII only 6s:



Crafty 19.19:

White(1): h3h4
analyze.White(1): White(1): h4
              clearing hash tables
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 22.50 (3:30)
              depth   time  score   variation (1)
                8     0.14   0.56   1. ... gxh4 2. f3 Kf6 3. a7 Kg7 4.
                                    Kh3 Ra4 5. Re8 Rxa7 6. Kxh4
                8->   0.17   0.56   1. ... gxh4 2. f3 Kf6 3. a7 Kg7 4.
                                    Kh3 Ra4 5. Re8 Rxa7 6. Kxh4
                9     0.42   0.60   1. ... gxh4 2. f4 Kf6 3. a7 Kg7 4.
                                    f5 h3+ 5. Kh2 Ra5 6. Re8 Rxa7 7. Kxh3
                9->   0.54   0.60   1. ... gxh4 2. f4 Kf6 3. a7 Kg7 4.
                                    f5 h3+ 5. Kh2 Ra5 6. Re8 Rxa7 7. Kxh3
               10     0.78   0.62   1. ... gxh4 2. f4 Kf6 3. a7 Kg7 4.
                                    f5 h3+ 5. Kh2 Ra2+ 6. Kxh3 Ra5 7. f6+
                                    Kf7 8. Rd8 Rxa7
               10->   1.05   0.62   1. ... gxh4 2. f4 Kf6 3. a7 Kg7 4.
                                    f5 h3+ 5. Kh2 Ra2+ 6. Kxh3 Ra5 7. f6+
                                    Kf7 8. Rd8 Rxa7
               11     2.23   0.67   1. ... gxh4 2. f4 Kf6 3. a7 Kg7 4.
                                    f5 h3+ 5. Kh2 h4 6. f6+ Kf7 7. Rh8
                                    Ra2+ 8. Kxh3 Rxa7
               11->   3.23   0.67   1. ... gxh4 2. f4 Kf6 3. a7 Kg7 4.
                                    f5 h3+ 5. Kh2 h4 6. f6+ Kf7 7. Rh8
                                    Ra2+ 8. Kxh3 Rxa7
               12     4.03     +1   1. ... gxh4
               12     5.62   1.60   1. ... gxh4 2. f4 Kf6 3. a7 Kg7 4.
                                    f5 h3+ 5. Kh2 Kf7 6. Rh8 Ra2+ 7. Kxh3
                                    <HT>
               12     7.66   1.37   1. ... g4 2. Kh2 Ra1 3. Ra7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Kg3 Ra3+ 5. Kg2 Ra2 6. Ra8 Kg6 7. Rg8+
                                    Kf7 8. Ra8 Re2
               12->   9.10   1.37   1. ... g4 2. Kh2 Ra1 3. Ra7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Kg3 Ra3+ 5. Kg2 Ra2 6. Ra8 Kg6 7. Rg8+
                                    Kf7 8. Ra8 Re2
               13    10.37   1.37   1. ... g4 2. Kh2 Ra1 3. Ra7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Kg3 Ra3+ 5. Kg2 Ra2 6. Ra8 Kg6 7. Kf1
                                    Kg7 8. Kg2 Re2
               13->  14.47   1.37   1. ... g4 2. Kh2 Ra1 3. Ra7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Kg3 Ra3+ 5. Kg2 Ra2 6. Ra8 Kg6 7. Kf1
                                    Kg7 8. Kg2 Re2
               14    19.09   1.29   1. ... g4 2. Kh2 Ra1 3. Ra7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Kg3 Ra3+ 5. Kg2 Ra2 6. Ra8 Kg6 7. Kf1
                                    Kf5 8. Ke1 Kf4 9. Rf8+ Ke4
               14->  25.87   1.29   1. ... g4 2. Kh2 Ra1 3. Ra7+ Kf6 4.
                                    Kg3 Ra3+ 5. Kg2 Ra2 6. Ra8 Kg6 7. Kf1
                                    Kf5 8. Ke1 Kf4 9. Rf8+ Ke4
               15    50.37   1.51   1. ... g4 2. Kf1 Ra2 3. a7 Kh7 4. Ke1
                                    Kg7 5. Kd1 Kh7 6. Kc1 Ra3 7. Kc2 Ra2+
                                    8. Kb3 Ra1 9. Kb2 Rd1
               15->   1:08   1.51   1. ... g4 2. Kf1 Ra2 3. a7 Kh7 4. Ke1
                                    Kg7 5. Kd1 Kh7 6. Kc1 Ra3 7. Kc2 Ra2+
                                    8. Kb3 Ra1 9. Kb2 Rd1
               16     1:25   1.48   1. ... g4 2. Kf1 Ra2 3. a7 Kh7 4. Ke1
                                    Kg7 5. Kd1 Kh7 6. Kc1 Ra3 7. Kd2 Ra1
                                    8. Ke3 Kg7 9. Kf4 Ra2
               16->   1:49   1.48   1. ... g4 2. Kf1 Ra2 3. a7 Kh7 4. Ke1
                                    Kg7 5. Kd1 Kh7 6. Kc1 Ra3 7. Kd2 Ra1
                                    8. Ke3 Kg7 9. Kf4 Ra2
               17     2:36   1.51   1. ... g4 2. Kf1 Ra2 3. a7 Kh7 4. Ke1
                                    Kg7 5. Kd1 Kh7 6. Kc1 Ra3 7. Kd2 Kg7
                                    8. Kc2 Ra5 9. Kb3 Rb5+ 10. Kc4 Rb2

Yace_PB:

         1   0.001  -0.42  1t  42...gxh4 {0}
        22   0.001  -0.42  1.  42...gxh4 {0}
        96   0.001  -0.61  2t  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 {0}
       199   0.001  -0.61  2.  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 {0}
       408   0.001  -0.48  3t  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 Kf6 {0}
       590   0.001  -0.48  3.  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 Kf6 {0}
       938   0.002  -0.69  4t  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 h4 45.f4 {0}
      1178   0.002  -0.69  4.  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 h4 45.f4 {0}
      1830   0.002  -0.67  5t  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 Kh7 45.f3 Kg7 {0}
      2692   0.003  -0.67  5.  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 Kh7 45.f3 Kg7 {0}
      7263   0.005  -0.76  6t  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 h4 45.f3 Kh7 46.f4H
                               {0}
      9038   0.007  -0.76  6.  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 h4 45.f3 Kh7 46.f4
                               {0}
     19790   0.013  -0.64  7t  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 h4 45.f3 Kh7 46.f4
                               Kg6 {0}
     23185   0.014  -0.64  7.  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 h4 45.f3 Kh7 46.f4
                               Kg6 {0}
     52784   0.040  -0.75  8t  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 Kh7 45.f3 Kg7 46.f4
                               Kf7 47.f5 {0}
     59614   0.044  -0.75  8.  42...gxh4 43.a7 h3+ 44.Kh2 Kh7 45.f3 Kg7 46.f4
                               Kf7 47.f5 {0}
    117726   0.080  -0.87  9t  42...gxh4 43.a7 Kh7 44.f3 Ra1 45.f4 Ra3 46.Kh2
                               Kg7 47.f5 {0}
    131704   0.087  -0.87  9.  42...gxh4 43.a7 Kh7 44.f3 Ra1 45.f4 Ra3 46.Kh2
                               Kg7 47.f5 {0}
    213930   0.141  -0.78 10t  42...gxh4 43.a7 Kh7 44.f3 Ra1 45.Kh2 Kg7 46.Kh3
                               Rh1+ 47.Kg2 Ra1 48.Kf2 {0}
    248116   0.164  -0.78 10.  42...gxh4 43.a7 Kh7 44.f3 Ra1 45.Kh2 Kg7 46.Kh3
                               Rh1+ 47.Kg2 Ra1 48.Kf2 {0}
    502434   0.316  -0.71 11t  42...gxh4 43.a7 Ra1 44.f3 Kh7 45.Kh2H Kg7H
                               46.Kh3H Rh1+H 47.Kg2H Ra1H 48.Kh2H Rg1H {HT}
    550102   0.347  -0.71 11.  42...gxh4 43.a7 Ra1 44.f3 Kh7 45.Kh2 Kg7 46.Kh3
                               Rh1+ 47.Kg2 Ra1 48.Kh2 Rg1
   1206923   0.786  -0.68 12t  42...gxh4 43.a7 Ra1 44.f3 Kh7 45.Kh2 Ra3 46.Kh3
                               Rxf3+ 47.Kxh4 Ra3 48.Kg5 Ra5+ 49.Kf4 Ra4+
                               50.Kf5 h4H {0}
   1275909   0.828  -0.68 12.  42...gxh4 43.a7 Ra1 44.f3 Kh7 45.Kh2 Ra3 46.Kh3
                               Rxf3+ 47.Kxh4 Ra3 48.Kg5 Ra5+ 49.Kf4 Ra4+
                               50.Kf5 h4 {0}
   1820734   1.225  -0.69 13t  42...gxh4 43.a7 Ra1 44.f3 Kh7 45.Kh2 Ra3 46.f4
                               Kg7 47.Kg2 Rg3+ 48.Kh1 Ra3 49.Kh2 h3 50.Re8H
                               Rxa7H 51.Kg1H {HT}
   1978567   1.330  -0.69 13.  42...gxh4 43.a7 Ra1 44.f3 Kh7 45.Kh2 Ra3 46.f4
                               Kg7 47.Kg2 Rg3+ 48.Kh1 Ra3 49.Kh2 h3 50.Re8
                               Rxa7 51.Kg1
   6186588   4.618  -0.58 14t  42...gxh4 43.a7 Ra1 44.f3 Kh7 45.f4 Ra3 46.Kh1
                               Ra2 47.f5 Kg7H 48.Re8H Rxa7H 49.Kh2H {HT}
   6492601   4.806  -0.58 14.  42...gxh4 43.a7 Ra1 44.f3 Kh7 45.f4 Ra3 46.Kh1
                               Ra2 47.f5 Kg7 48.Re8 Rxa7 49.Kh2
   7818420   5.902  -0.98 15-- 42...gxh4 43.a7 Ra1 44.f3 Kh7 45.f4 Ra3 46.f5
                               h3+ 47.Kh2 Kg7 48.f6+ Kf7 49.Rh8 Ra2+ 50.Kxh3
                               Rh2+ 51.Kxh2 Kxf6
   8002044   6.072  -0.98 15t  42...gxh4 43.a7 {HT}
   9844318   8.136  -0.98 15.  42...gxh4 43.a7
  12624449  11.096  -1.38 16-- 42...gxh4 43.a7 Ra1 44.f4 Ra3 45.f5 Ra1
  15614107  13.000  -2.38 16-- 42...gxh4 43.a7 Ra1 44.f4 Ra3 45.f5 h3+ 46.Kh2
                               Kh7 47.f6 Ra2+ 48.Kxh3 Ra3+ 49.Kh2 Ra4 50.f7 Ra5
  23673684  18.626  -3.06 16t  42...gxh4 43.a7 Ra1 44.f4 Ra3 45.f5 h3+ 46.Kh2
                               Ra2+ 47.Kxh3 Ra3+ 48.Kh4 Ra4+ 49.Kxh5 Ra1
                               50.Kg4 Ra4+ 51.Kf3 Ra3+ 52.Kf4 Ra4+ 53.Ke5 Ra6
                               54.Ke4 Ra4+ 55.Kd5 Kf7H 56.Kc5H {HT}
  30048598  25.634  -3.05 16t+ 42...g4 43.a7
  51295175  38.932  -1.43 16t  42...g4 43.Kf1 Ra2 44.a7 Kh7 45.Ke1 Kg7 46.Kd1
                               Kh7 47.Kc1 Kg7 48.Kb1 Ra4 49.Kc2 Ra3 50.Kb2
                               Ra6H 51.Kb3H {-80}
  52734704  39.966  -1.43 16.  42...g4 43.Kf1 Ra2 44.a7 Kh7 45.Ke1 Kg7 46.Kd1
                               Kh7 47.Kc1 Kg7 48.Kb1 Ra4 49.Kc2 Ra3 50.Kb2 Ra6
                               51.Kb3 {-80}
  58695134  43.816  -1.43 17t  42...g4 43.Kf1 Ra2 44.a7 Kh7 45.Ke1 Kg7 46.Kd1
                               Kh7 47.Kc1 Kg7 48.Kb1 Ra4 49.Kc2 Ra3 50.Kb2 Ra6
                               51.Kc2H Kh7H {HT}
  62389578  47.057  -1.43 17.  42...g4 43.Kf1 Ra2 44.a7 Kh7 45.Ke1 Kg7 46.Kd1
                               Kh7 47.Kc1 Kg7 48.Kb1 Ra4 49.Kc2 Ra3 50.Kb2 Ra6
                               51.Kc2 Kh7
  74572789  55.870  -1.46 18t  42...g4 43.Kf1 Ra2 44.a7 Kh7 45.Ke1 Kg7 46.Kd1
                               Kh7 47.Kc1 Kg7 48.Kb1 Ra4 49.Kc2 Ra3 50.Kd2
                               Ra2+ 51.Ke3 {HT}
  83647463  1:05.0  -1.46 18.  42...g4 43.Kf1 Ra2 44.a7 Kh7 45.Ke1 Kg7 46.Kd1
                               Kh7 47.Kc1 Kg7 48.Kb1 Ra4 49.Kc2 Ra3 50.Kd2
                               Ra2+ 51.Ke3
 102308061  1:19.3  -1.46 19t  42...g4 43.Kf1 Ra2 44.a7 Kh7 45.Ke1 Kg7 46.Kd1
                               Kh7 47.Kc1 Kg7 48.Kb1 Ra4 49.Kc2 Ra3 50.Kd2
                               Ra2+ 51.Ke3 Ra4 52.Ke2 Kh7H {HT}
 119636504  1:36.8  -1.46 19.  42...g4 43.Kf1 Ra2 44.a7 Kh7 45.Ke1 Kg7 46.Kd1
                               Kh7 47.Kc1 Kg7 48.Kb1 Ra4 49.Kc2 Ra3 50.Kd2
                               Ra2+ 51.Ke3 Ra4 52.Ke2 Kh7



TogaII:

 1 +1.13  gxh4 (0.00)
 2 +1.18  gxh4 f3 Ra2+ Kh3 (0.00)
 3 +1.11  gxh4 f3 Kf6 (0.00)
 4 +1.21  gxh4 a7 h3+ Kh2 Kf7 f4 (0.01)
 5 +1.19  gxh4 a7 h3+ Kh2 h4 f4 Kf7 (0.01)
 6 +1.35  gxh4 a7 h3+ Kh2 h4 f4 Kf7 f5 (0.02)
 7 +1.21  gxh4 a7 h3+ Kg1 Ra2 Kh2 Ra3 f4 Kf7 (0.03)
 8 +1.42  gxh4 f3 h3+ Kxh3 Rxf3+ Kh4 Rf5 a7 Ra5 Kg3 Kf7 (0.05)
 9 +1.35  gxh4 a7 h3+ Kg1 Ra2 Kh2 Ra3 f4 h4 f5 Kf7 (0.11)
10 +1.27  gxh4 a7 h3+ Kg1 Ra2 Kh2 Ra3 f4 h4 f5 Kf7 Kg1 (0.16)
11 +1.23  gxh4 f3 h3+ Kxh3 Rxf3+ Kh4 Rf5 Kg3 Kf7 a7 Ra5 Kf4 h4 Ke4 (0.31)
12 +1.37  gxh4 a7 Ra1 f3 Ra3 Kh2 Ra1 f4 Ra3 f5 Kf7 Kg2 h3+ Kh2 (0.46)
13 +1.37  gxh4 a7 Ra1 f3 Ra3 Kh2 Ra1 Kh3 Rh1+ Kg2 Ra1 f4 Ra3 f5 h3+ Kh2 Kf7
(0.61)
14 +1.25  gxh4 a7 h3+ Kh2 Kh7 f3 Kg7 Kg3 Kh7 Kxh3 Rxf3+ Kg2 Ra3 Kf2 Kg7 Ke2 h4
(2.23)
15 +3.30  gxh4 a7 Ra1 f4 Ra3 f5 Rg3+ Kh2 Ra3 f6+ Kf7 Rh8 Kxf6 a8=Q Rxa8 Rxa8 Kf5
Kg2 (3.72)
15 +1.81  g4 Kf1 Ra2 a7 Kh7 Ke1 Kg7 Kd1 Kh7 Kc1 Kg7 Kb1 Ra5 Kb2 Rb5+ Kc2 Kf7
(6.13)
16 +1.88  g4 Kf1 Ra2 a7 Kh7 Ke1 Kg7 Kd1 Kh7 Kc1 Kg7 Kb1 Ra5 Kb2 Rb5+ Kc2 Rc5+
Kd2 Kf7 (6.62)
17 +1.96  g4 Kf1 Ra2 a7 Kh7 Ke1 Kg7 Kd1 Kh7 Kc1 Kg7 Kb1 Ra5 Kb2 Rb5+ Kc2 Rc5+
Kb3 Rb5+ Kc4 Rb2 (8.54)
18 +1.96  g4 Kf1 Ra2 a7 Kh7 Ke1 Kg7 Kd1 Kh7 Kc1 Ra6 Kc2 Kg7 Kb2 Rb6+ Kc3 Ra6 Kb3
Rb6+ Kc4 Rb2 (10.26)
19 +1.96  g4 Kf1 Ra2 a7 Kh7 Ke1 Kg7 Kd1 Kh7 Kc1 Ra6 Kc2 Kg7 Kb2 Ra4 Kc3 Ra6 Kb3
Rb6+ Kc4 Rb2 (13.20)
20 +1.96  g4 Kf1 Ra2 a7 Kh7 Ke1 Kg7 Kd1 Kh7 Kc1 Ra6 Kc2 Kg7 Kb2 Ra4 Kc3 Ra3+ Kd2
Ra2+ Kd3 Kh7 Ke3 Kg7 (17.74)
21 +1.96  g4 Kf1 Ra2 a7 Kh7 Ke1 Kg7 Kd1 Kh7 Kc1 Ra6 Kc2 Kg7 Kb2 Ra4 Kb3 Ra5 Kc4
Ra3 Kd4 Ra2 Ke3 (25.44)
22 +1.96  g4 Kf1 Ra2 a7 Kh7 Ke1 Kg7 Kd1 Kh7 Kc1 Ra6 Kc2 Kg7 Kb2 Ra4 Kb3 Ra5 Kc3
Ra2 Kd3 Kh7 Ke3 Kg7 (44.20)


regards
Andy




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