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Subject: Re: More from Chrilly about Hydra - Wait a minute!

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 22:41:28 06/06/05

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On June 07, 2005 at 00:25:42, David Mitchell wrote:

>On June 06, 2005 at 22:55:17, David H. McClain wrote:
>
>>On June 06, 2005 at 19:43:07, Mark Ryan wrote:
>>
>>>Some more of Chrilly's comments at chessgames.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>June 4:
>>>Besides these, Hydra is not unbeatable at all. We estimate that the programm has
>>>about 2950 Elo. Fritz, Shredder about 2800. 150 Elo more does not mean, that one
>>>can not loose. The combination of strong human player plus Shredder&Fritz is
>>>according our internal results about as strong as Hydra.
>>>
>>
>>As a layman, let me see if this is a valid deduction:
>>
>>The theory is that every doubling of speed is worth about 40 ELO points.  I
>>think this has been stated here many times.  If that is a viable estimate, then
>>Hydra is acutally much weaker that Shedder on equal hardware.  Correct?
>>
>>If that is the case, then what is the point the Hydra team is trying to make?
>>Well, to me they are proving that there is a point that is reached where >nothing
>>is given in return, and they seem to have already surpassed this point but >don't know it.  DHM
>
>Over the past several years, Shredder has proven it's premier ranking amongst
>the strongest software chess programs. Hydra's software is just a baby by
>comparison.
>
>There is no doubt that Shredder software is stronger than Hydra's, imo.
>
>Hydra's use of hardware however, is unique, and the combination of that hardware
>and software, which is impossible with Shredder et. al., may indeed prove or
>currently even be, stronger than Shredder on any hardware it can run on.
>
>It would be intersting to see Shredder on a dynamite 16 cpu fast opteron system,
>matched up against Hydra.
>
>Dave

Hell, go all the way to 32 cpu's and adjust Shredder to utilize them, and use
the 64bit program ver. on a 64bit windows system...I think Hydra will lose its
heads faster than it can grow them back;-)

Be expensive though, but so is Hydra, to the extreme.

Terry



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