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Subject: Re: More from Chrilly about Hydra

Author: Madhavan

Date: 05:42:14 06/07/05

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On June 06, 2005 at 20:12:12, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On June 06, 2005 at 19:43:07, Mark Ryan wrote:
>
>>Some more of Chrilly's comments at chessgames.com:
>>
>>"June 1:
>>In the correspondence games Hydra-Chimeira played with own books made by the
>>sponsor. But this was not the reason for the loss. GM Nickel was in this games
>>simply better. In the sparring matches GM Lutz+Shredder&Fritz against Hydra,
>>Lutz was somewhat better than Hydra-Chimeira. But Hydra-Scylla has already a
>>slight edge over this combination.
>>
>>June 4:
>>Besides these, Hydra is not unbeatable at all. We estimate that the programm has
>>about 2950 Elo. Fritz, Shredder about 2800. 150 Elo more does not mean, that one
>>can not loose. The combination of strong human player plus Shredder&Fritz is
>>according our internal results about as strong as Hydra.
>>
>>June 5:
>>In contrast to common believe is opening theory the point where Top-GMs are
>>certainly superior to the machines. This is the part of the game the programmers
>>really fear.
>>Top-GMs do not fear the opening, but the tablebases. E.g. in human-human games
>>Queen against Rook is usually won. But it is well known, that humans have
>>considerable problems to win this endgame against a database."
>
>Again showing little insight in chess. I'm just a weak player in comparision to
>the GM's targeted here. Fidemaster is what i am.
>
>FM
>after that comes IM
>after that comes GM
>
>I didn't make it further so far than FM.
>
>However queen versus rook i win blindfolded, also against the EGTBs.
>
>The matter is not whether i use a perfect number of moves. Just win it within 50
>moves. Reality shows that you usually are 20% off the perfect path and the last
>10 moves only 1 or 2 moves extra are needed.
>
>So in reality you always put it mate.
>
>In highschool i used to play such endgames for money. Me 1 minute on the clock.
>They 5.

what's all this about?you talking to whom?

this is not related to the subject.

cut the crap,vincent.
>The fear for EGTBs is just not true. The only type of fear there is, is that
>within a year or 30 the GM's lose their income because chessprograms will be a
>lot better by then than they are now. So far that has not been the case. In fact
>Hydra single handed delivers lots of money to GM's directly.
>
>Vincent



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