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Subject: Re: Open Source Chess Programs

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 10:20:25 06/07/05

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On June 07, 2005 at 12:49:59, Reinhard Scharnagl wrote:

>On June 07, 2005 at 12:33:55, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On June 07, 2005 at 12:02:34, Reinhard Scharnagl wrote:
>>
>>>On June 07, 2005 at 04:18:51, Aaron Boonshoft wrote:
>>>
>>>>Does anyone know of any "open source" chess programs?  (That is chess programs
>>>>where you can actually view the program's source code.)  And if so, can you tell
>>>>me where to find them.  (What website can they be found at?)  Also, do you have
>>>>any first or second hand knowledge about them.  (Did you find them to work as
>>>>described by the website?)  Thanks! - Aaron
>>>
>>>Looking into foreign source codes to 'understand' chess programming is
>>>absolutely counter productive. It will kill your own ideas before you have had a
>>>chance to get known to them.
>
>>I am guessing that every one who has written a world class chess program has
>>looked at the source code of other programs.
>
>a) I am not talking of code snippets but of complete program sources,

The code must be available to look at the snippet.

>b) if somebody would eat from a forbitten fruit that is no legitiation for
>   others to spread such things or even more from such forbidden fruits,

The open source does not excuse illegitimate use.

>c) my Smirf program does not yet have world class level, I prosume, but for
>   me it is more important, that it is my own genuine creation,

As it is for any chess programmer.  The ones who take someone else's engine, and
twist a screw, then stamp their name on it are criminals.

>d) there always is the possibility to read about experiences of chess
>   programmers in books and reports using human language; used computer
>   language written sources instead seem to be directed more for a computer
>   as a target than for a human brain.

I submit that there is a place for both the articles and the code.

>>>But such 'donations' are a good base for patchworking together new clones and
>>>for to cheat in our brainsport computer chess.
>
>>The ACM must be the most evil orgainization in the world.  Let's lump in GNU and
>>Sourceforge.
>
>Do not mix open legitime source projects with this discussion.

Every chess program that is open source is a legitimate open source project.

>Open source is
>ok, where protocols or new application platforms would be created. But if there
>is a competition between solutions, open source is corrupting brain sports.

It is not the open source that corrupts.  It requires corrupt people to cause
the corruption.

>
>And I find it legitime to point out this view, when it is for others to point
>to such sources already misused for cloning and cheating.

Inevitably, they are caught and disgraced.



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