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Subject: Re: Engines Evaluation of Position - Shredder 9 UCI

Author: m.d.hurd

Date: 12:58:17 06/07/05

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On June 07, 2005 at 15:03:13, Christos Gitsis wrote:

>This position from one of my games is winning for white.
>It is not a usual test position, because there are many moves (probably most of
>the moves) that lead to a win.
>
>[D] 8/6p1/4p2p/5p2/2k5/P4P2/1K4PP/8 w - - 0 43
>
>All human club players should know that the outside passed a-pawn is very
>strong. It forces the black King to stay on the Queenside, allowing the white
>King to reach the Kingside first.
>
>Yet some strong engines don't evaluate the position correctly. Some give a very
>small advantage to white and others even give a score favouring Black. The most
>optimistic engines that I tried are Crafty and Zappa with a score of only +1.0
>to +1.2.
>
>Isn't it relatively easy to add knowledge about outside passed pawns, so that
>the engines would evaluate this position correctly?


 14/19	 0:01 	-0.01 	1.Kc2 e5 2.h4 Kb5 3.h5 Ka4 4.g4 Kxa3 5.gxf5 Kb4 6.Kd3 Kc5
7.Ke4 Kd6 (386.483) 257
 14/19	 0:01 	 0.00++	1.h3 (417.579) 270
 14/19	 0:01 	+0.01 	1.h3 e5 2.Kc2 Kb5 3.Kb3 g5 4.g4 f4 (468.366) 288
 14/20	 0:01 	+0.02++	1.f4 (546.436) 291
 14/20	 0:01 	+0.14 	1.f4 g5 2.g3 gxf4 3.gxf4 h5 4.Kc2 Kd4 5.h4 e5 6.fxe5 Kxe5
7.a4 f4 8.a5 Kd5 (560.835) 296
 15/21	 0:02 	+0.39++	1.f4 g5 (639.605) 307
 15/21	 0:02 	+0.45 	1.f4 g5 2.g3 gxf4 3.gxf4 h5 4.Kc2 Kd4 5.Kd2 h4 6.h3 e5
7.fxe5 Kd5 8.Ke3 Kxe5 (661.694) 313
 16/30	 0:02 	+0.49 	1.f4 g5 2.g3 Kd4 3.a4 Kc4 4.fxg5 hxg5 5.a5 Kb5 6.a6 Kxa6
7.h3 Kb5 (899.211) 359
 17/35	 0:03 	+0.72 	1.f4 g5 2.g3 Kd4 3.Kc2 Kc4 4.Kd2 gxf4 5.gxf4 h5 6.Ke3 h4
7.h3 Kb3 8.Kd4 Kxa3 9.Ke5 Kb4 (1.267.086) 352
 18/36	 0:04 	+0.72 	1.f4 g5 2.g3 Kd4 3.Kc2 gxf4 4.gxf4 h5 5.Kd2 h4 6.h3 Kc4
7.Ke3 Kb3 8.Kd4 Kxa3 9.Ke5 Kb4 10.Kxe6 (1.754.656) 354
 19/40	 0:08 	+0.97++	1.f4 g5 (3.527.084) 407
 19/40	 0:08 	+0.97 	1.f4 g5 2.g3 Kd4 3.a4 e5 (3.749.675) 419
 20/41	 0:11 	+0.76 	1.f4 g5 2.g3 e5 3.fxe5 Kd5 4.Kc3 Kxe5 5.a4 Kd5 6.a5 Kc5
7.a6 Kb6 8.Kd4 Kxa6 9.Ke5 Ka5 10.Kxf5 Kb4 (5.674.867) 479
 21/39	 0:17 	+0.76 	1.f4 g5 2.g3 e5 3.fxe5 Kd5 4.Kc3 Kxe5 5.a4 Kd5 6.a5 Kc5
7.a6 Kb6 8.Kd4 Kxa6 9.Ke5 Ka5 10.Kxf5 Kb4 (9.852.902) 560
 22/41	 0:28 	+0.86 	1.f4 g5 2.g3 e5 3.fxe5 Kd5 4.Kc3 Kxe5 5.a4 Kd5 6.a5 Kc5
7.a6 Kb6 8.Kd4 Kxa6 9.Ke5 f4 10.gxf4 gxf4 11.Kxf4 Kb5 12.h4 (17.293.144) 603
 23/45	 0:43 	+0.62 	1.f4 g5 2.g3 e5 3.fxe5 Kd5 4.Kc3 Kxe5 5.a4 Kd5 6.a5 Kc5
7.a6 Kb6 8.Kd4 Kxa6 9.Ke5 f4 10.gxf4 gxf4 11.Kxf4 Kb5 12.h4 Kc4 (26.704.599) 619
 24/46	 1:55 	+0.68 	1.f4 g5 2.g3 e5 3.fxe5 Kd5 4.Kc3 Kxe5 5.a4 Kd5 6.a5 Kc5
7.a6 Kb6 8.Kd4 Kxa6 9.Ke5 f4 10.gxf4 gxf4 11.Kxf4 Kb5 12.Kf5 (76.887.465) 664
 24/46	 2:11 	+0.69++	1.h4 (86.551.066) 659
 24/46	 2:26 	+1.04++	1.h4 (97.804.345) 665
 24/48	 4:48 	+1.04 	1.h4 e5 (204.594.321) 708
 25/48	 5:28 	+1.04 	1.h4 e5 2.Kc2 g6 3.a4 Kd4 4.Kd2 Kc4 5.Ke2 Kc5 6.Ke3 Kc4
7.Kd2 h5 (229.449.721) 698
 25/54	 6:14 	+1.05++	1.f4 (259.019.711) 692
 25/54	 6:35 	+1.17 	1.f4 g5 2.g3 e5 3.fxe5 Kd5 4.Kc3 Kxe5 5.a4 Kd5 6.a5
(273.016.470) 690
 26/50	 8:00 	+1.41 	1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 Kd5 3.a4 Kxe5 4.a5 Kd5 5.Kc2 (323.990.261)
674
 27/52	11:21 	+1.58 	1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 Kd5 3.a4 Kxe5 4.a5 Kd5 5.Kc2 Kc5 6.Kd3 g5
7.a6 Kb6 8.Kd4 f4 9.Ke5 Kxa6 10.h3 f3 11.gxf3 Kb5 (442.670.346) 649
 28/57	18:03 	+1.83++	1.f4 e5 (687.756.227) 634
 28/57	20:31 	+2.33++	1.f4 e5 (785.608.402) 637
 28/57	25:27 	+3.45 	1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 Kd5 3.a4 Kxe5 4.a5 Kd5 5.Kc3 Kc5 6.a6 Kb6
7.Kd4 Kxa6 8.Ke5 f4 9.Kxf4 Kb5 10.Kf5 Kc4 (992.209.622) 649
 29/56	34:31 	+3.45 	1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 Kd5 3.a4 Kxe5 4.a5 Kd5 5.Kc3 Kc5 6.a6 Kb6
7.Kd4 Kxa6 8.Ke5 f4 9.Kxf4 Kb5 10.Kf5 Kc4 (1.324.530.211) 639


Mike



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