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Subject: Re: can a program solve this mate in 17.5?

Author: Paulo Soares

Date: 14:27:10 02/12/99

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On February 12, 1999 at 12:33:53, blass uri wrote:

>8/p2q4/4pQ2/p2p4/p1pQ1K2/2p2b2/1N1N1n1p/2B4k b - - 0 1
>
>This is a study I composed a few years ago.
>
>black say mate in 17.5 against itself.
>I used Genius3 for many hours to help me to compose and to check the endgame.
>
>The main line is 1...e5+ 2.Kxf3 Qh3+ 3.Kxf2 Qg2+ 4.Ke1 exd4 5.Qf1+ Qxf1 6.Kxf1
>cxb2 7.Bxb2 c3 8.Nb1 cxb2 9.Kf2 a3 10.Nxa3 a4 11.Nb1 a3 12.Nxa3 d3 13.Nb1 a5
>14.Nd2 b1Q 15.Nxb1 a4 16.Nd2 a3 17.Nf1 a2 18.Ng3#
>
>Uri

Uri,

	Fritz5.32  has problems with the promotions and it does not
obtain.
	Genius6 has more knowledge in that it says respect to the
promotions and goes more far, look:

 PII-300 Ht=64Mb

	After  8... cxb2
	       9.Kf2 #10 depth16    14sec.

	After  7... c3
	       8.Nb1 #11 depth18   133sec.

	After  6... cxb2
	       7.Bxb2 	 depth20 >1200sec.

	I do not believe a program can solve this problem. Repairs
that I gave up after 20 minutes when Genius6 probably would
find #12 but, which would be the time necessary to find mate in
17,5?  probably many months (years?).  It is a problem that requires
much depth of analysis, and still has possible promotions of
pions on the part of the blacks.

Best regards,

Paulo Soares, from Brazil.



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