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Subject: Re: Just for you a legal position.......

Author: Madhavan

Date: 01:28:46 06/13/05

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On June 13, 2005 at 04:22:01, Michael Diosi wrote:

>
>
>Hello,
>
>The only winning move for black is b1B

right,very interesting position,I wonder where you got those position?
is this position there in a test suite?

but you can't test engines on illegal position with direct checks,hitting kings
and position having 32 or 22 knights

>so now you understand that this engine has a problem with
>
>a) underpromotion
>b) it sees a mate which is not there
>c) move ordering/move selection

some engines do,top engine doesnt have

>so this helps the author fix it but it also helps us to understand how this
>engine operates. Your task is to find an engine which does this, this would be
>helpful.

allright.

>Just in case you wonder here is the output of another engine:
>FEN: 8/8/5b2/8/K7/8/kp6/3N4 b - - 0 63
>
>FEN: 8/8/5b2/8/K7/8/kp6/3N4 b - - 0 63
>
>Queen 3.05:
>   1        00:00                   2        0        -10.86        b1Q
>   2        00:00                  24        2        -10.49
>   3        00:00                 190        10        -0.05        Ka1
>   3        00:00                 270        14        -4.29
>   4        00:00                 823        41        -3.99        Ne3
>   5        00:00               2.082        69        -4.05        Nc3+ Kxb2
>Nd5
>   6        00:00               7.327        183        -3.88        Be7 Bd6
>   7        00:00              23.605        337        -3.86        Nf2 Kb3+
>   8        00:00              54.497        454        -3.88        Nf2 Kb3+
>   9        00:00             121.273        551        -3.79        Nf2 Kb1 Kc2
>  10        00:00             425.833        607        -3.85        Kb3+ Ne3+
>Kc3
>  11        00:01           1.064.290        660        -3.81        Kb3+ Ne3+
>  12        00:04           3.058.561        696        -3.85        Nc3+ Kxb2
>Nd5 Bg7 Kc2 Nf4 Nd5
>  13        00:09           6.795.514        710        -3.83        Ne3 Nc4 Bd4
>Nd6 Nb5 Be5 Nc3+ Ka1 Ne4
>  14        00:19          13.964.932        718        -3.92        Kb3+ Nf2+
>Bg7+ Ne4+ Kc2 Bd4 Nc5
>  15        00:38          26.837.017        704        -3.92        Kb3+ Nf2+
>Bg7+ Ne4+ Kc2 Kd3 Ng5 Ne6
>  16        01:16          51.772.693        681        -3.99        Kb3+ Nf2+
>Kc2 Ne4 Be5 Ng5
>
>
>Look : Kb3+ good move, no ?

If you promote the pawn to bishop,can you get the knight later?
are there no possibility for black to draw?with one knight vs 2 white bishop?

>Best,
>
>Michael



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