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Subject: Re: Test position

Author: John Merlino

Date: 14:37:35 06/13/05

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On June 13, 2005 at 16:18:44, Yar wrote:

>In your line after 4.g4: instead of rf8!? black should play rf4! -+
>
>On June 13, 2005 at 14:24:35, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On June 13, 2005 at 13:42:04, Yar wrote:
>>
>>>How long does it to your engine to find Qf5 ?
>>>[D] 5r1k/6bp/p1p1Q3/P2pn3/1Pp2q2/4R3/2R2PPN/6K1 b - -
>>>
>>>With best regards,
>>>
>>>Yar
>>
>>CM9_R1 on an AMD 2500 does find it eventually, but the score is not convincing:
>>
>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>0:00	1/6	-0.45	87701		1...Qd4 2.Rce2 c3 3.Nf1 Ng4 4.Rxc3
>>					Qxc3 5.Qxg4
>>0:01	1/7	-0.49	234086		1...Qd4 2.Nf1 Nd3 3.Qd6 Qh4 4.Ng3
>>					Qf4 5.Qxf4 Rxf4 6.Rxd3 cxd3 7.Rxc6
>>0:02	1/8	-0.49	533694		1...Qd4 2.Nf1 Nd3 3.Qd6 Qh4 4.Ng3
>>					Qf4 5.Qxf4 Rxf4 6.Rxd3 cxd3 7.Rxc6
>>0:02	1/8	-0.54	630802		1...d4 2.g3 Qf5 3.Qxf5 Rxf5 4.g4
>>					d3 5.Rd2 Rf4
>>0:03	1/9	-0.50	965714		1...d4 2.g3 Qf5 3.Qxf5 Rxf5 4.Rxe5
>>					Rxe5 5.Rxc4 Re1+ 6.Nf1 d3 7.Rxc6
>>0:06	1/10	-0.71	1815159		1...d4 2.g3 Qf5 3.Qxf5 Rxf5 4.Rxe5
>>					Rxe5 5.Nf3 Rf5 6.Nh4 Rb5 7.Rxc4
>>0:14	1/11	-0.26	3829836		1...d4 2.g3 Qf5 3.Qxf5 Rxf5 4.Rxe5
>>					Rxe5 5.Rxc4 Re6 6.Nf3 d3 7.Kf1 Rd6
>>0:58	1/11	-0.43	15582264	1...Nd3 2.Rf3 Qd4 3.Rxf8+ Bxf8
>>					4.Rd2 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Nxb4 6.Qc8 Qf6
>>					7.Qc7 Nd3 8.Nf3
>>1:51	1/12	-0.56	30475782	1...Nd3 2.Rf3 Qh6 3.Rxf8+ Bxf8
>>					4.Qc8 Qg7 5.Ng4 h5 6.Ne3 Nxb4 7.Rd2
>>					Qf6 8.Kf1
>>3:16	2/13	-0.31	55003647	1...Nd3 2.Rf3 Qb8 3.Rxf8+ Bxf8
>>					4.Nf3 Qxb4 5.Re2 Qd6 6.Qc8 Qf6
>>					7.Re8 Kg8 8.Qg4+ Qg7 9.Qf5
>>6:12	2/13	-0.48	103601247	1...Qg5 2.g3 Nd3 3.Rf3 Rxf3 4.Nxf3
>>					Qf6 5.Qe8+ Bf8 6.Kg2 Nxb4 7.Re2
>>					c3 8.Ne5 c2 9.Re1 Na2
>>6:53	2/13	-0.58	115889058	1...Qf5 2.Qxf5 Rxf5 3.Rce2 d4 4.g4
>>					Rf8 5.Rxe5 d3 6.R5e3 dxe2 7.Rxe2
>>					c3 8.Kf1 Bh6 9.Ke1
>>8:23	3/14	-0.54	142354151	1...Qf5 2.Qxf5 Rxf5 3.Rce2 d4 4.g4
>>					Rf8 5.Rxe5 Bxe5 6.Rxe5 d3 7.Nf1
>>					c3 8.Ne3 d2 9.Rc5 Re8 10.Nd1 Re1+
>>					11.Kg2
>>
>>jm

I input the line all the way up to 4.g4, and this is what The King says:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/5	-0.08	6681		4...Rf8 5.Rxe5 d3 6.Re1 d2 7.Nf1
					dxe1=Q 8.Rxe1
0:00	1/6	-0.46	12832		4...Rf8 5.Rxe5 d3 6.Nf1 dxe2 7.Rxe2
					c3 8.Ne3 Re8
0:00	1/7	-0.48	31226		4...Rf8 5.Rxe5 d3 6.Re8 dxe2 7.Rxe2
					c3 8.Kf1 Bh6 9.Ke1
0:00	1/8	-0.50	81195		4...Rf8 5.Rxe5 d3 6.Re6 dxe2 7.Rxe2
					c3 8.Kf1 Bh6 9.Ke1 Rd8
0:00	1/9	-0.66	195283		4...Rf8 5.Rxe5 Bxe5 6.Rxe5 d3 7.Nf1
					c3 8.Re6 d2 9.Nxd2 cxd2 10.Rd6
					Rf4 11.Rxd2 Rxg4+ 12.Kh2 Rxb4
0:01	1/10	-0.66	442656		4...Rf8 5.Rxe5 Bxe5 6.Rxe5 d3 7.Nf1
					c3 8.Re6 d2 9.Nxd2 cxd2 10.Rd6
					Rf4 11.Rxd2 Rxg4+ 12.Kh2 Rxb4
0:03	1/11	-0.67	920858		4...Rf8 5.Rxe5 d3 6.Re6 dxe2 7.Rxe2
					c3 8.Re4 Rd8 9.Nf1 Bd4 10.Re6 Rf8
					11.Re2
0:07	2/12	-0.66	2164645		4...Rf8 5.Rxe5 Bxe5 6.Rxe5 d3 7.Nf1
					c3 8.Re6 Rc8 9.Re4 d2 10.Nxd2 cxd2
					11.Rd4 Rg8 12.Rxd2 Rxg4+ 13.Kh2
					Rxb4
0:25	3/13	-0.75	7022954		4...Rf8 5.Rxe5 Bxe5 6.Rxe5 d3 7.Kf1
					c3 8.Ke1 c2 9.Rc5 Rxf2 10.Kxf2
					d2 11.Rxc2 d1=Q 12.Rxc6 Qd2+ 13.Kg3
					Qe1+ 14.Kh3 Qe3+ 15.Kg2
0:55	4/14	-0.86	15850362	4...Rf8 5.Rxe5 Bxe5 6.Rxe5 d3 7.Kf1
					c3 8.Ke1 c2 9.Rc5 Rxf2 10.Kxf2
					d2 11.Rxc2 d1=Q 12.Rxc6 Qd2+ 13.Kg3
					Qe1+ 14.Kh3 Qe3+ 15.Kh4 Qe2
2:59	5/15	-0.76	51748358	4...Rf8 5.Rxe5 Bxe5 6.Rxe5 d3 7.Kf1
					c3 8.Ke1 c2 9.Rc5 Rxf2 10.Kxf2
					d2 11.Rxc2 d1=Q 12.Rxc6 Qd2+ 13.Kg3
					Qe1+ 14.Kh3 Qe3+ 15.Kh4 Qf2+ 16.Kh3
9:40	6/16	-1.10	166648710	4...Rf8 5.Rxe5 d3 6.R5e3 dxe2 7.Rxe2
					Rf4 8.Kg2 c3 9.Kg3 Bh6 10.Rc2 Rc4
					11.Nf1 c5 12.bxc5 Kg7 13.Ne3 Bxe3
					14.fxe3 Rxc5
22:58	7/17	-1.06	395472560	4...Rf8 5.Rxe5 d3 6.R5e3 dxe2 7.Rxe2
					Rf4 8.Kg2 c3 9.Kg3 Bh6 10.Rc2 Rc4
					11.Nf1 Bf4+ 12.Kf3 Be5 13.Ne3 Rxb4
					14.g5 Kg8

So, as you can see, it still likes 4...Rf8, and this search is 9 ply deeper than
the previous one.

jm



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