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Subject: Re: Man versus Machine?

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 21:57:05 06/14/05

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On June 15, 2005 at 00:05:51, Tony Nichols wrote:

>On June 14, 2005 at 22:35:26, William Sorin wrote:
>
>>On June 14, 2005 at 22:19:29, Mark Ryan wrote:
>>
>>>Has this been the wrong metaphor all along?
>>>
>>>Years ago, Kasparov predicted that the future of chess was in "Advanced Chess"
>>>(people playing chess with computer assistance).  Now the Freestyle Tournament
>>>seems to be confirming this prediction.  In the words of Chessbase, " ... we can
>>>draw first tentative conclusions. One is that the most powerful chess playing
>>>entity on the planet is a GM armed with a computer."
>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2453
>>>
>>>We are the tool-manufacturing species.  We create the tools, and we shape their
>>>purpose.  In Vancouver, the trains in the SkyTrain system have no drivers, but
>>>there is a central control room where human beings monitor everything carefully
>>>and react to unforeseen emergencies.  The level of human involvement has been
>>>reduced, but it is still there; in fact, it has been isolated to a higher level.
>>>
>>>No matter how strong the chess machines become, will they always be stronger
>>>with a GM at the controls?
>>>
>>>Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>I wonder then if a 2600 Grandmaster using Fritz could beat any of the Top Ten
>>human Grandmasters without computer assistance?
>
>
>I would expect a 2600 GM with chessbase and Fritz to crush any human player
>without. Even at the very top many games are decided by tactical mistakes. Also,
>   the ability to research an opening at the board would be very useful.
>Regards
>Tony

I believe Kasparov could defeat a 2600 rated player, even with the assistance of
a top program and top PC computer, as long as he knows what he's dealing with.

I'd like to see such a match, but unfortunately he's retired:(

In a sense he was dealing with mutiple GM's when he played Deep Blue, and his
loss was in the six game match was a fluke, one we'll never see proven
otherwise:(

Too Bad,
 Terry



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