Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 22:17:12 06/14/05
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On June 15, 2005 at 01:08:47, Tony Nichols wrote: >On June 15, 2005 at 00:57:05, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On June 15, 2005 at 00:05:51, Tony Nichols wrote: >> >>>On June 14, 2005 at 22:35:26, William Sorin wrote: >>> >>>>On June 14, 2005 at 22:19:29, Mark Ryan wrote: >>>> >>>>>Has this been the wrong metaphor all along? >>>>> >>>>>Years ago, Kasparov predicted that the future of chess was in "Advanced Chess" >>>>>(people playing chess with computer assistance). Now the Freestyle Tournament >>>>>seems to be confirming this prediction. In the words of Chessbase, " ... we can >>>>>draw first tentative conclusions. One is that the most powerful chess playing >>>>>entity on the planet is a GM armed with a computer." >>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2453 >>>>> >>>>>We are the tool-manufacturing species. We create the tools, and we shape their >>>>>purpose. In Vancouver, the trains in the SkyTrain system have no drivers, but >>>>>there is a central control room where human beings monitor everything carefully >>>>>and react to unforeseen emergencies. The level of human involvement has been >>>>>reduced, but it is still there; in fact, it has been isolated to a higher level. >>>>> >>>>>No matter how strong the chess machines become, will they always be stronger >>>>>with a GM at the controls? >>>>> >>>>>Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I wonder then if a 2600 Grandmaster using Fritz could beat any of the Top Ten >>>>human Grandmasters without computer assistance? >>> >>> >>>I would expect a 2600 GM with chessbase and Fritz to crush any human player >>>without. Even at the very top many games are decided by tactical mistakes. Also, >>> the ability to research an opening at the board would be very useful. >>>Regards >>>Tony >> >>I believe Kasparov could defeat a 2600 rated player, even with the assistance of >>a top program and top PC computer, as long as he knows what he's dealing with. >> >>I'd like to see such a match, but unfortunately he's retired:( >> >>In a sense he was dealing with mutiple GM's when he played Deep Blue, and his >>loss was in the six game match was a fluke, one we'll never see proven >>otherwise:( >> >>Too Bad, >> Terry > > > His match against Deep Blue was indeed a fluke. Unfortunately, Kasparov would >have a very hard time against a human/computer team. He is known for >complications and out calculating his opponent. This would play right into a >computers strength. He has shown that he is vulnerable in passive positions >where he can not get the initiative. So, this strategy is not good either. I >would think that someone like Kramnik or a younger Karpov would have the best >chances, but I still favor the human/comp team. >Regards >Tony You underestimate Kasparov, and is noted to be the most computer-like GM that ever lived! If Kasparov was prepared, I think you might be surprised..The reason is if he handles the tactics, his stategy will be superior. Would it be tough? Yes, it would. But the GM at 2600+ may be overconfident and get hammered! Terry
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