Author: Uri Blass
Date: 00:08:46 06/15/05
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On June 15, 2005 at 01:17:12, Terry McCracken wrote: >On June 15, 2005 at 01:08:47, Tony Nichols wrote: > >>On June 15, 2005 at 00:57:05, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On June 15, 2005 at 00:05:51, Tony Nichols wrote: >>> >>>>On June 14, 2005 at 22:35:26, William Sorin wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 14, 2005 at 22:19:29, Mark Ryan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Has this been the wrong metaphor all along? >>>>>> >>>>>>Years ago, Kasparov predicted that the future of chess was in "Advanced Chess" >>>>>>(people playing chess with computer assistance). Now the Freestyle Tournament >>>>>>seems to be confirming this prediction. In the words of Chessbase, " ... we can >>>>>>draw first tentative conclusions. One is that the most powerful chess playing >>>>>>entity on the planet is a GM armed with a computer." >>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2453 >>>>>> >>>>>>We are the tool-manufacturing species. We create the tools, and we shape their >>>>>>purpose. In Vancouver, the trains in the SkyTrain system have no drivers, but >>>>>>there is a central control room where human beings monitor everything carefully >>>>>>and react to unforeseen emergencies. The level of human involvement has been >>>>>>reduced, but it is still there; in fact, it has been isolated to a higher level. >>>>>> >>>>>>No matter how strong the chess machines become, will they always be stronger >>>>>>with a GM at the controls? >>>>>> >>>>>>Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I wonder then if a 2600 Grandmaster using Fritz could beat any of the Top Ten >>>>>human Grandmasters without computer assistance? >>>> >>>> >>>>I would expect a 2600 GM with chessbase and Fritz to crush any human player >>>>without. Even at the very top many games are decided by tactical mistakes. Also, >>>> the ability to research an opening at the board would be very useful. >>>>Regards >>>>Tony >>> >>>I believe Kasparov could defeat a 2600 rated player, even with the assistance of >>>a top program and top PC computer, as long as he knows what he's dealing with. >>> >>>I'd like to see such a match, but unfortunately he's retired:( >>> >>>In a sense he was dealing with mutiple GM's when he played Deep Blue, and his >>>loss was in the six game match was a fluke, one we'll never see proven >>>otherwise:( >>> >>>Too Bad, >>> Terry >> >> >> His match against Deep Blue was indeed a fluke. Unfortunately, Kasparov would >>have a very hard time against a human/computer team. He is known for >>complications and out calculating his opponent. This would play right into a >>computers strength. He has shown that he is vulnerable in passive positions >>where he can not get the initiative. So, this strategy is not good either. I >>would think that someone like Kramnik or a younger Karpov would have the best >>chances, but I still favor the human/comp team. >>Regards >>Tony > >You underestimate Kasparov, and is noted to be the most computer-like GM that >ever lived! > >If Kasparov was prepared, I think you might be surprised..The reason is if he >handles the tactics, his stategy will be superior. > >Would it be tough? Yes, it would. But the GM at 2600+ may be overconfident and >get hammered! > >Terry I think that you underestimate 2600 players. Kasparov did not win a match against Junior without human help and with human help the machines may play significantly better. Uri
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