Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 06:50:53 06/15/05
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On June 15, 2005 at 03:08:46, Uri Blass wrote: >On June 15, 2005 at 01:17:12, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On June 15, 2005 at 01:08:47, Tony Nichols wrote: >> >>>On June 15, 2005 at 00:57:05, Terry McCracken wrote: >>> >>>>On June 15, 2005 at 00:05:51, Tony Nichols wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 14, 2005 at 22:35:26, William Sorin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 14, 2005 at 22:19:29, Mark Ryan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Has this been the wrong metaphor all along? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Years ago, Kasparov predicted that the future of chess was in "Advanced Chess" >>>>>>>(people playing chess with computer assistance). Now the Freestyle Tournament >>>>>>>seems to be confirming this prediction. In the words of Chessbase, " ... we can >>>>>>>draw first tentative conclusions. One is that the most powerful chess playing >>>>>>>entity on the planet is a GM armed with a computer." >>>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2453 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>We are the tool-manufacturing species. We create the tools, and we shape their >>>>>>>purpose. In Vancouver, the trains in the SkyTrain system have no drivers, but >>>>>>>there is a central control room where human beings monitor everything carefully >>>>>>>and react to unforeseen emergencies. The level of human involvement has been >>>>>>>reduced, but it is still there; in fact, it has been isolated to a higher level. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No matter how strong the chess machines become, will they always be stronger >>>>>>>with a GM at the controls? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I wonder then if a 2600 Grandmaster using Fritz could beat any of the Top Ten >>>>>>human Grandmasters without computer assistance? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I would expect a 2600 GM with chessbase and Fritz to crush any human player >>>>>without. Even at the very top many games are decided by tactical mistakes. Also, >>>>> the ability to research an opening at the board would be very useful. >>>>>Regards >>>>>Tony >>>> >>>>I believe Kasparov could defeat a 2600 rated player, even with the assistance of >>>>a top program and top PC computer, as long as he knows what he's dealing with. >>>> >>>>I'd like to see such a match, but unfortunately he's retired:( >>>> >>>>In a sense he was dealing with mutiple GM's when he played Deep Blue, and his >>>>loss was in the six game match was a fluke, one we'll never see proven >>>>otherwise:( >>>> >>>>Too Bad, >>>> Terry >>> >>> >>> His match against Deep Blue was indeed a fluke. Unfortunately, Kasparov would >>>have a very hard time against a human/computer team. He is known for >>>complications and out calculating his opponent. This would play right into a >>>computers strength. He has shown that he is vulnerable in passive positions >>>where he can not get the initiative. So, this strategy is not good either. I >>>would think that someone like Kramnik or a younger Karpov would have the best >>>chances, but I still favor the human/comp team. >>>Regards >>>Tony >> >>You underestimate Kasparov, and is noted to be the most computer-like GM that >>ever lived! >> >>If Kasparov was prepared, I think you might be surprised..The reason is if he >>handles the tactics, his stategy will be superior. >> >>Would it be tough? Yes, it would. But the GM at 2600+ may be overconfident and >>get hammered! >> >>Terry > >I think that you underestimate 2600 players. > >Kasparov did not win a match against Junior without human help and with human >help the machines may play significantly better. > >Uri What human help??
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