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Subject: Re: Fruit vs Toga : the revenge ! (58.5-41.5)

Author: Marc Lacrosse

Date: 14:15:13 06/15/05

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On June 15, 2005 at 16:38:37, Gabor Szots wrote:

>On June 15, 2005 at 09:43:27, Marc Lacrosse wrote:
>
>>I am delighted to present you this highly moral -and funny- story :
>>
>>Program                 Score     %    Av.Op.  Elo    +   -    Draws
>>1 Fruit Massy 2005  :  58.5/100  58.5   2620   2680   60  60   25.0 %
>>2 TogaII 0.93       :  41.5/100  41.5   2680   2620   60  60   25.0 %
>>
>>Congratulations to Fabien Letouzey!
>>
>>Long live original opensource free quality software ...
>
>
>I don't see any moral aspect here. Toga is recognized as legal.

So anything legal is moral ?

When you build the major part of your program on the efforts of someone who gave
it opensource to the community, I feel that you should at least keep the same
opensource policy, and give the largest credit to the original effort.

That is my feeling and I do not see why I could not express it publicly.

So for me it is quite pleasant that the original author could take the time to
further improve its own work.

>
>What would you say if it turned out that Toga was stronger?

Not a shame, not a pity, just bad luck.

>
>You could equally say that who wins a sword duel has right.

That's exactly the opposite.
I just began feeling sorry to see everybody praise Toga's strength ("may be the
best amateur program") with less and less people crediting Fruit for a large
part of Toga's success.

>
>The time control you use is questionable anyway.

Evidently so, but as any time control in fact...
I myself presented them as completely preliminary results, and I am not yet
completely sure myself  that Fruit is better than Toga in short blitzes.
And I have yet no idea of their respective strength at longer time controls: I
got a copy three days ago !

But if Fruit Massy preliminary results were confirmed, you won't be able to
prevent me from being delighted with it.

Marc



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