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Subject: Re: Fruit vs Toga : the revenge ! (58.5-41.5)

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 14:34:40 06/15/05

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On June 15, 2005 at 17:15:13, Marc Lacrosse wrote:

>On June 15, 2005 at 16:38:37, Gabor Szots wrote:
>
>>On June 15, 2005 at 09:43:27, Marc Lacrosse wrote:
>>
>>>I am delighted to present you this highly moral -and funny- story :
>>>
>>>Program                 Score     %    Av.Op.  Elo    +   -    Draws
>>>1 Fruit Massy 2005  :  58.5/100  58.5   2620   2680   60  60   25.0 %
>>>2 TogaII 0.93       :  41.5/100  41.5   2680   2620   60  60   25.0 %
>>>
>>>Congratulations to Fabien Letouzey!
>>>
>>>Long live original opensource free quality software ...
>>
>>
>>I don't see any moral aspect here. Toga is recognized as legal.
>
>So anything legal is moral ?

The original author has no objections and has plainly stated that fact.

If a program is licenced GPL, then that is (in fact) the actual intention.

>When you build the major part of your program on the efforts of someone who gave
>it opensource to the community, I feel that you should at least keep the same
>opensource policy, and give the largest credit to the original effort.
>
>That is my feeling and I do not see why I could not express it publicly.
>
>So for me it is quite pleasant that the original author could take the time to
>further improve its own work.
>
>>
>>What would you say if it turned out that Toga was stronger?
>
>Not a shame, not a pity, just bad luck.
>
>>
>>You could equally say that who wins a sword duel has right.
>
>That's exactly the opposite.
>I just began feeling sorry to see everybody praise Toga's strength ("may be the
>best amateur program") with less and less people crediting Fruit for a large
>part of Toga's success.
>
>>
>>The time control you use is questionable anyway.
>
>Evidently so, but as any time control in fact...
>I myself presented them as completely preliminary results, and I am not yet
>completely sure myself  that Fruit is better than Toga in short blitzes.
>And I have yet no idea of their respective strength at longer time controls: I
>got a copy three days ago !
>
>But if Fruit Massy preliminary results were confirmed, you won't be able to
>prevent me from being delighted with it.
>
>Marc



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