Author: Uri Blass
Date: 07:31:47 06/16/05
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On June 15, 2005 at 09:50:53, Terry McCracken wrote: >On June 15, 2005 at 03:08:46, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On June 15, 2005 at 01:17:12, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On June 15, 2005 at 01:08:47, Tony Nichols wrote: >>> >>>>On June 15, 2005 at 00:57:05, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 15, 2005 at 00:05:51, Tony Nichols wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 14, 2005 at 22:35:26, William Sorin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 14, 2005 at 22:19:29, Mark Ryan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Has this been the wrong metaphor all along? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Years ago, Kasparov predicted that the future of chess was in "Advanced Chess" >>>>>>>>(people playing chess with computer assistance). Now the Freestyle Tournament >>>>>>>>seems to be confirming this prediction. In the words of Chessbase, " ... we can >>>>>>>>draw first tentative conclusions. One is that the most powerful chess playing >>>>>>>>entity on the planet is a GM armed with a computer." >>>>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2453 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>We are the tool-manufacturing species. We create the tools, and we shape their >>>>>>>>purpose. In Vancouver, the trains in the SkyTrain system have no drivers, but >>>>>>>>there is a central control room where human beings monitor everything carefully >>>>>>>>and react to unforeseen emergencies. The level of human involvement has been >>>>>>>>reduced, but it is still there; in fact, it has been isolated to a higher level. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>No matter how strong the chess machines become, will they always be stronger >>>>>>>>with a GM at the controls? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I wonder then if a 2600 Grandmaster using Fritz could beat any of the Top Ten >>>>>>>human Grandmasters without computer assistance? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I would expect a 2600 GM with chessbase and Fritz to crush any human player >>>>>>without. Even at the very top many games are decided by tactical mistakes. Also, >>>>>> the ability to research an opening at the board would be very useful. >>>>>>Regards >>>>>>Tony >>>>> >>>>>I believe Kasparov could defeat a 2600 rated player, even with the assistance of >>>>>a top program and top PC computer, as long as he knows what he's dealing with. >>>>> >>>>>I'd like to see such a match, but unfortunately he's retired:( >>>>> >>>>>In a sense he was dealing with mutiple GM's when he played Deep Blue, and his >>>>>loss was in the six game match was a fluke, one we'll never see proven >>>>>otherwise:( >>>>> >>>>>Too Bad, >>>>> Terry >>>> >>>> >>>> His match against Deep Blue was indeed a fluke. Unfortunately, Kasparov would >>>>have a very hard time against a human/computer team. He is known for >>>>complications and out calculating his opponent. This would play right into a >>>>computers strength. He has shown that he is vulnerable in passive positions >>>>where he can not get the initiative. So, this strategy is not good either. I >>>>would think that someone like Kramnik or a younger Karpov would have the best >>>>chances, but I still favor the human/comp team. >>>>Regards >>>>Tony >>> >>>You underestimate Kasparov, and is noted to be the most computer-like GM that >>>ever lived! >>> >>>If Kasparov was prepared, I think you might be surprised..The reason is if he >>>handles the tactics, his stategy will be superior. >>> >>>Would it be tough? Yes, it would. But the GM at 2600+ may be overconfident and >>>get hammered! >>> >>>Terry >> >>I think that you underestimate 2600 players. >> >>Kasparov did not win a match against Junior without human help and with human >>help the machines may play significantly better. >> >>Uri > >What human help?? My point is that if kasparov failed to win Junior in a match then 2600 together with Junior can probably beat him. Uri
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