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Subject: Re: Man versus Machine?

Author: Vikrant Malvankar

Date: 23:15:34 06/16/05

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On June 16, 2005 at 06:19:03, Madhavan wrote:

>On June 15, 2005 at 04:04:19, Vikrant Malvankar wrote:
>
>>On June 15, 2005 at 02:38:07, Madhavan wrote:
>>
>>>On June 15, 2005 at 00:57:05, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 15, 2005 at 00:05:51, Tony Nichols wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 14, 2005 at 22:35:26, William Sorin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 14, 2005 at 22:19:29, Mark Ryan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Has this been the wrong metaphor all along?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Years ago, Kasparov predicted that the future of chess was in "Advanced Chess"
>>>>>>>(people playing chess with computer assistance).  Now the Freestyle Tournament
>>>>>>>seems to be confirming this prediction.  In the words of Chessbase, " ... we can
>>>>>>>draw first tentative conclusions. One is that the most powerful chess playing
>>>>>>>entity on the planet is a GM armed with a computer."
>>>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2453
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We are the tool-manufacturing species.  We create the tools, and we shape their
>>>>>>>purpose.  In Vancouver, the trains in the SkyTrain system have no drivers, but
>>>>>>>there is a central control room where human beings monitor everything carefully
>>>>>>>and react to unforeseen emergencies.  The level of human involvement has been
>>>>>>>reduced, but it is still there; in fact, it has been isolated to a higher level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No matter how strong the chess machines become, will they always be stronger
>>>>>>>with a GM at the controls?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I wonder then if a 2600 Grandmaster using Fritz could beat any of the Top Ten
>>>>>>human Grandmasters without computer assistance?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I would expect a 2600 GM with chessbase and Fritz to crush any human player
>>>>>without. Even at the very top many games are decided by tactical mistakes. Also,
>>>>>   the ability to research an opening at the board would be very useful.
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>>I believe Kasparov could defeat a 2600 rated player, even with the assistance of
>>>>a top program and top PC computer, as long as he knows what he's dealing with.
>>>
>>>Excuse me,what exactly is the difference between a 2000 rated player with
>>>computer assistance and a 2600 with the same program running as the first
>>>one?since we are sure both of them were probably going to make all computer
>>>moves
>>
>>Madhavan how u do Analysis with the help of computer(Fritz,Shredder etc.)?
>
>Run "Infinite analysis",you have to makea move for both white and black,see the
>evaluation.if the evaluatiuon of particular side is getting low,change the
>engine and repeat the moves.
>
>engines show different evaluation.

do u rely entirely on engine's evaluation? do u think the best engines are
perfect in evaluation?
>
>>Do u agree to what computer shows in a particular position ? or make a move that
>>u find interesting and start finding continuations from thereon with the help of
>>Programs.?



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