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Subject: Re: Fruit Massy after 55 games (Compares favorably with top engines)

Author: Madhavan

Date: 00:07:01 06/17/05

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On June 16, 2005 at 17:41:40, Uri Blass wrote:

>On June 16, 2005 at 17:01:34, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On June 16, 2005 at 07:18:13, Madhavan wrote:
>>
>>>On June 16, 2005 at 03:59:43, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 16, 2005 at 03:47:53, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>I agree that testing programs without their original book is misleading but
>>>>1.b4 is not so bad
>>>>
>>>>Movei learned to play it and it is the only line that it has positive score in
>>>>the premier division in WBEC(it may be interesting if it can keep the positive
>>>>score.
>>>
>>>b4 is a very boring opening,Black will have all pawns centered to 5tth rank
>>>means black takes an advantage of centered pawns
>>
>>It has fans:
>>http://www.algonet.se/~marek/
>
>I see that 1.b4 e5 2.Bb2 is the main line there.
>
>Movei is more original and starts 1.b4 e5 2.a3 with good results(including wins
>against Crafty and Yace and Warp)
>
>Evaluation was clearly negative against Yace and Warp but Movei could win[of
>course there are also losses but so far it wins more often than lose with
>b4(shortest win in 29 moves was against Aristarch that chose 1.b4 d5)]
>
>Here are part of Movei's wins in WBEC with 1.b4 (the games that I mentioned)
>
>
>[Event "WBEC10 Premier Division"]
>[Site "OPTERON-244A"]
>[Date "2005.06.14"]
>[Round "13.1"]
>[White "Movei 0.08.306"]
>[Black "Crafty 19.19-64BH"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[PlyCount "125"]
>[EventDate "2005.??.??"]
>[TimeControl "40/2400:0"]
>
>1. b4 e5 2. a3 {-0.37/13} Nf6 {-0.29/13} 3. Bb2 {-0.31/13} d6 4. Nc3 {-0.31/13}
>Be7 5. e4 {-0.29/14} O-O 6. Nf3 {-0.21/13} d5 7. exd5 {+0.43/13} Nxd5 {-0.05/12
>} 8. Nxe5 {+0.61/12} a5 {-0.17/11} 9. Qf3 {+0.75/12} Nxc3 {-0.31/11} 10. Qxc3 {
>+0.78/11} Bf6 {-0.26/11} 11. d4 {+0.61/12} axb4 {-0.07/12} 12. axb4 {+0.76/13}
>Rxa1+ {+0.00/12} 13. Bxa1 {+0.70/12} Bxe5 14. dxe5 {+0.55/12} Qg5 {-0.06/13}
>15. Bb2 {+0.56/12} Rd8 {-0.46/13} 16. g3 {+0.66/12} Nc6 {-0.49/12} 17. Bc4 {
>+0.44/12} Bh3 {-0.65/13} 18. f4 Qh6 {-0.57/12} 19. Kf2 Bf5 {-0.04/12} 20. h4
>Rd7 {+0.09/11} 21. b5 {+1.33/13} Nd8 {-0.06/13} 22. Be2 {+1.26/14} Qb6+ {
>+0.22/13} 23. Qe3 {+1.28/15} Qxe3+ {+0.31/14} 24. Kxe3 Bxc2 {+0.29/15} 25. Rc1
>{+1.45/14} Bf5 {+0.37/15} 26. g4 {+1.41/15} Be6 27. f5 {+1.40/14} Ba2 28. b6 {
>+1.69/14} c6 29. Bd3 {+1.74/13} Bb3 {+0.85/15} 30. Ra1 {+1.76/13} Kf8 {+1.30/14
>} 31. g5 {+1.96/14} c5 {+1.85/14} 32. f6 {+2.69/14} gxf6 {+2.35/14} 33. gxf6
>Rxd3+ {+3.63/15} 34. Kxd3 {+3.61/17} Ke8 35. Kc3 {+3.67/15} Bd5 {+3.64/15} 36.
>Ra5 {+3.70/16} Ne6 37. Ba3 {+3.73/15} Bc6 38. Bxc5 {+3.72/15} Nf4 39. Ra2 {
>+3.82/12} Kd7 {+3.79/14} 40. Rf2 Nd5+ {+3.97/15} 41. Kd4 Ke6 {+3.89/15} 42. h5
>{+4.06/17} Bb5 43. h6 {+4.08/16} Bc6 44. Rf1 {+4.11/16} Bb5 {+5.61/17} 45. Rg1
>Ba4 46. Rg7 {+5.86/16} Bc2 {+6.85/16} 47. Rg8 {+7.81/16} Nf4 48. Rb8 {+8.09/14}
>Kf5 {+9.12/15} 49. Rxb7 {+9.33/14} Ne6+ {+10.30/14} 50. Ke3 Nxc5 {+10.69/14}
>51. Rxf7 {+11.82/14} Bb3 {+12.17/13} 52. Rxh7 {+17.62/14} Kg6 53. b7 {+24.33/15
>} Kxh7 {+327.45/14} 54. b8=Q {+327.44/17} Kxh6 55. f7 {+327.48/10} Bxf7 {
>+327.49/13} 56. Qh8+ {+327.50/6} Kg5 {+327.51/14} 57. Qf6+ {+327.52/6} Kh5 58.
>Qxf7+ {+327.54/5} Kh6 59. Kf4 {+327.56/1} Ne6+ 60. Qxe6+ {+327.58/1} Kh7 61.
>Qd7+ {+327.60/1} Kg6 62. e6 {+327.62/1} Kh6 63. Kf5 {+327.64/1  Black resigns}
>1-0
>
>[Event "WBEC10 Premier Division"]
>[Site "OPTERON-244A"]
>[Date "2005.06.07"]
>[Round "11.1"]
>[White "Movei 0.08.306"]
>[Black "Yace 0.99.87"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[PlyCount "138"]
>[EventDate "2005.??.??"]
>[TimeControl "40/2400:0"]
>
>1. b4 e5 2. a3 {-0.37/13} d5 3. Bb2 {-0.29/13} Bd6 4. Nf3 {-0.31/14} Nd7 {
>+0.33/12} 5. c4 dxc4 {+0.36/12} 6. e4 b5 {+0.38/11} 7. d3 {-0.34/14} cxd3 {
>+0.50/12} 8. Bxd3 {-0.51/14} a6 {+0.49/13} 9. O-O {-0.53/13} Ngf6 {+0.52/12}
>10. Nc3 {-0.62/13} O-O {+0.61/11} 11. Qd2 {-0.67/12} Qe7 {+0.66/11} 12. Nd5 {
>-0.75/12} Nxd5 {+0.77/12} 13. exd5 {-0.86/12} f5 {+0.74/12} 14. Bc2 {-0.67/13}
>e4 {+0.77/11} 15. Nd4 {-0.84/13} Ne5 {+0.84/11} 16. Nc6 Nxc6 {+0.89/11} 17.
>dxc6 {-0.72/12} Be6 {+0.86/11} 18. Rfe1 {-0.79/12} a5 {+1.10/11} 19. bxa5 Ra6 {
>+1.18/11} 20. Qc3 {-0.82/12} Bc5 {+1.16/11} 21. Bb3 {-0.41/13} Rxc6 {+1.15/12}
>22. Bxe6+ {-0.47/12} Rxe6 {+1.03/12} 23. Rac1 {-0.40/12} Bd6 {+1.03/12} 24. Qb3
>{-0.60/12} Qe8 {+0.94/11} 25. Bd4 {-0.66/11} Kh8 {+1.07/11} 26. Kh1 {-0.69/11}
>Rh6 {+1.31/11} 27. h3 {-1.17/13} f4 {+1.36/11} 28. Qc3 {-1.18/11} Rg6 {+1.44/11
>} 29. f3 {-1.29/11} e3 {+1.37/12} 30. a6 Rg5 {+1.31/11} 31. Red1 Qa8 {+1.27/10}
>32. a7 {-1.13/12} Kg8 {+1.27/10} 33. Qb2 {-1.11/11} Rf7 {+1.34/10} 34. Qb3 {
>-1.01/11} Rd5 {+1.07/11} 35. Bb6 {-1.18/12} Rxd1+ {+1.21/11} 36. Qxd1 g6 {
>+0.98/12} 37. Qc2 {-0.74/13} Qd5 {+0.98/12} 38. Rd1 {-0.10/14} Qa8 {+0.54/12}
>39. Rc1 {+0.00/15} Qd5 {+0.39/13} 40. Rd1 {+0.00/14} Qb7 {+0.46/12} 41. Bd4 {
>-0.10/13} Re7 {+0.32/11} 42. a4 {+0.02/13} b4 {+0.15/12} 43. Qc4+ {+0.28/13}
>Rf7 {+0.11/13} 44. Bc5 {+0.49/14} Qa8 {-0.37/13} 45. Qxb4 {+0.51/14} e2 {
>-0.37/12} 46. Re1 {+0.60/14} Qxa7 {-0.57/14} 47. Bxd6 {+0.63/14} cxd6 {-0.63/13
>} 48. Rxe2 {+0.71/13} Qd7 {-0.64/13} 49. a5 {+0.98/13} Kg7 {-1.11/14} 50. a6 {
>+1.43/12} d5 {-1.16/13} 51. Qd4+ {+1.20/12} Kh6 {-1.21/14} 52. Ra2 {+1.30/13}
>Qa7 {-1.27/14} 53. Qxd5 {+1.34/14} Rd7 {-1.26/13} 54. Qb3 Rd6 {-1.28/13} 55.
>Qa4 Rd4 {-1.26/13} 56. Qc2 Rd6 {-1.34/13} 57. Qe2 {+1.65/12} Rc6 {-1.46/13} 58.
>Ra1 {+1.84/12} Rd6 {-1.64/14} 59. Kh2 {+1.90/12} Rf6 {-2.07/14} 60. Ra4 g5 {
>-2.25/13} 61. Qe5 {+3.23/13} Kg6 {-2.75/13} 62. Ra5 {+3.37/11} h6 {-4.80/12}
>63. Qe8+ Kg7 {-4.88/12} 64. Rd5 {+5.49/13} Rxa6 {-7.35/13} 65. Rd7+ {+5.49/11}
>Qxd7 {-10.44/17} 66. Qxd7+ Kf6 {-10.84/17} 67. h4 Re6 {-10.99/13} 68. Kh3 {
>+6.85/11} Re1 {-11.71/14} 69. hxg5+ {+7.91/9} hxg5 {-325.69/15  Black resigns}
>1-0


this opening line looks nice though,I wonder where you it?

>[Event "WBEC10 Premier Division"]
>[Site "OPTERON-244A"]
>[Date "2005.06.03"]
>[Round "10.4"]
>[White "Movei 0.08.306"]
>[Black "WARP 0.65"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[PlyCount "136"]
>[EventDate "2005.??.??"]
>[TimeControl "40/2400:0"]
>
>1. b4 e5 2. a3 {-0.37/13} d5 {+0.24/15} 3. Bb2 {-0.36/13} Bd6 {+0.18/14} 4. Nf3
>{-0.31/14} Nd7 {+0.21/15} 5. c4 {-0.30/14} dxc4 {+0.29/14} 6. e4 {-0.34/14} b5
>{+0.44/13} 7. d3 {-0.37/13} cxd3 {+0.76/14} 8. Bxd3 {-0.51/14} a6 {+0.75/14} 9.
>O-O {-0.53/13} Ngf6 {+0.82/14} 10. Nc3 {-0.62/13} O-O {+0.91/11} 11. Qd2 {
>-0.67/12} Qe7 {+1.00/12} 12. Nd5 {-0.75/12} Nxd5 {+1.45/14} 13. exd5 {-0.86/12}
>e4 {+1.45/14} 14. Rfe1 {-0.73/13} f5 {+1.35/13} 15. Bc2 {-0.86/12} Qd8 {
>+1.38/13} 16. Nd4 {-0.82/12} Ne5 {+1.57/13} 17. Qc3 {-1.00/12} Qg5 {+1.42/12}
>18. f3 {-1.03/11} exf3 {+1.41/13} 19. Nxf3 {-1.10/12} Nxf3+ {+1.50/13} 20. Qxf3
>{-1.07/11} a5 {+1.48/13} 21. bxa5 {-0.88/12} Rxa5 {+1.48/12} 22. Qb3 {-1.11/10}
>Qh4 {+1.90/13} 23. h3 {-1.34/11} Qc4 {+1.84/13} 24. Rad1 {-1.37/10} Bb7 {
>+1.80/12} 25. Qd3 Qxd3 {+1.82/13} 26. Rxd3 Raa8 {+1.59/13} 27. Rb3 {-1.38/13}
>Rae8 {+1.73/14} 28. Rc1 {-1.17/13} Re2 {+1.72/14} 29. Bd1 {-1.08/13} Re7 {
>+1.57/14} 30. Bf3 {-0.90/13} Bf4 {+1.56/14} 31. Rd1 Ba6 {+1.55/14} 32. Bd4 {
>-0.85/14} Rd8 {+1.46/14} 33. Bc5 {-0.82/12} Ree8 {+1.19/13} 34. Kf2 {-0.69/13}
>Rd7 {+1.13/13} 35. g3 Bd6 {+0.83/15} 36. Rc1 {-0.35/12} Re5 {+0.56/15} 37. Bd4
>{-0.10/14} Ree7 {+0.36/15} 38. Bc5 f4 {+0.18/15} 39. Bxd6 {+0.41/13} Rxd6 {
>-0.03/14} 40. gxf4 Rf7 {-0.29/14} 41. Re3 g6 {-0.48/14} 42. Kg3 {+0.54/14} h5 {
>-0.66/14} 43. Re8+ {+0.91/13} Kg7 {-0.96/16} 44. Rc6 Rxc6 {-1.07/16} 45. dxc6 {
>+1.17/16} Rf8 {-1.40/18} 46. Rxf8 {+1.29/16} Kxf8 {-1.89/20} 47. Be4 {+1.41/17}
>b4 {-1.51/21} 48. axb4 {+1.44/18} Kf7 {-1.51/19} 49. h4 {+2.22/18} Kf6 {
>-2.26/19} 50. Kf2 {+2.24/17} Bb5 {-3.25/21} 51. Ke3 {+2.53/17} Ke7 {-3.25/20}
>52. Bxg6 {+2.63/17} Bxc6 {-3.25/20} 53. Bxh5 {+2.54/16} Kf6 {-3.71/19} 54. Be2
>{+2.63/16} Be8 {-4.16/17} 55. Kd4 {+2.68/16} Bf7 {-4.16/19} 56. h5 {+3.17/17}
>Kg7 {-4.22/19} 57. f5 {+3.27/17} Kf6 {-4.93/19} 58. h6 {+8.33/19} Bg8 {-5.68/17
>} 59. Bh5 {+8.33/17} Kxf5 {-6.04/21} 60. Bf7 {+8.93/17} Bh7 {-6.04/22} 61. Bc4
>{+17.47/18} Kf6 {-6.04/24} 62. Bd3 {+15.65/15} Bxd3 {-6.04/28} 63. Kxd3 {
>+327.34/5} c6 {-6.04/31} 64. Kd4 {+327.40/1} Kf7 {-6.04/32} 65. Kc5 {+327.42/1}
>Kg6 {-6.54/32} 66. Kxc6 {+327.44/1} Kxh6 {-7.04/32} 67. b5 {+327.46/1} Kg7 {
>-7.54/32} 68. b6 {+327.48/1} Kh8 {-7.54/32  Xboard adjudication} 1-0
>
>[Event "WBEC10 Premier Division"]
>[Site "OPTERON-244A"]
>[Date "2005.06.10"]
>[Round "12.4"]
>[White "Movei 0.08.306"]
>[Black "Aristarch 4.50"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[PlyCount "57"]
>[EventDate "2005.??.??"]
>[TimeControl "40/2400:0"]
>
>1. b4 d5 2. Bb2 Bg4 3. h3 {-0.25/13} Bh5 4. c4 {-0.25/12} Nf6 {+0.44/12} 5.
>Qa4+ {-0.13/13} c6 {+0.44/13} 6. cxd5 {-0.01/13} Qxd5 {+0.40/13} 7. Nc3 {
>-0.08/14} Qd6 {+0.42/12} 8. g4 {-0.09/13} Bg6 {+0.38/12} 9. Nf3 {-0.13/12} b5 {
>+0.48/12} 10. Qa5 {+0.06/13} e6 {+0.03/14} 11. a4 bxa4 {+0.43/11} 12. b5 {
>+0.21/12} Nd5 {+0.45/11} 13. Bg2 {+0.00/11} Nb4 {+0.17/12} 14. O-O {+0.50/12}
>h5 {+0.19/11} 15. g5 {+0.78/13} Be7 {-0.95/13} 16. Ba3 c5 {-1.16/13} 17. Bxb4 {
>+1.42/13} cxb4 {-1.56/13} 18. Nh4 {+1.67/13} Qf4 {-1.43/13} 19. Nxg6 {+1.82/12}
>fxg6 {-1.46/13} 20. e3 {+2.13/12} Qxg5 {-2.67/15} 21. Ne4 Qh6 {-2.90/15} 22.
>Ng3 h4 {-3.08/14} 23. Qc7 hxg3 {-3.81/14} 24. Bxa8 {+3.52/11} Nd7 {-4.23/14}
>25. Bc6 {+4.49/13} O-O {-4.34/14} 26. fxg3 {+4.74/13} Rd8 {-4.55/14} 27. Bxd7 {
>+4.97/14} Qxh3 {-4.97/14} 28. Rf2 {+5.51/13} Bg5 {-6.54/14} 29. Rxa4 {
>+6.36/12  Black resigns} 1-0

is there a website that you'd recommend me?more sites of b4 opening.I've been
playing quite a few games with "Larsen"chessmaster personality,I found the style
of play very boring.

This movei line looks something new to me with NC3 and e4.

I just sent you a mail requestiong this opening line,thanks.

>>>>You can download the games in
>>>>
>>>>http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/



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