Author: Madhavan
Date: 09:23:36 06/17/05
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On June 17, 2005 at 08:25:01, Christopher Conkie wrote: >Hello, > >You may know if you have been awake that there are some long threads recently >about positional understanding in chess engines. Yeah,position you have posting? >Coming up shortly is the WCCC 2005 in Rekjavic. I'm looking forward to it,I'm cheering for Shredder to win this time :) >In this championship there are a few engines taking part. I am now going to try >to explain the big problem that I and many others have with this championship. few engines but very strong and mostly commercials unlike CCT >In a fair event such as a human game of chess, the competitors play and the >person with the most positional understanding and the greatest depth of thought >wins. There is no help provided to either side. They must live and die by their >own evaluation of a position. > >That's is the human side of things......now for computer chess. > >In the WCCC 2005 the same is just not true. > >1. The computers/hardware are all different specs. >2. The OS software used is also different. >3. The engines use opening books. So,must use opening book,Opening book is also a part of engine code. If engine doesnt use opening book,it 'd probably play same repeated moves for both sides. >4. The engines use tablebases. I dont know about this,its also a part of engine code.But the fact is engine uses calculation and search in the middle game. >It seems that these points have floated right by everyone. ya,ya you can have all you want. >Know that the winner of the WCCC 2005 will be the best hardware, not the best >engine. Nope!get some 2200 elo engine running on a faster hardware and shredder running on a P1 or P2,there's high chances and most of them would favour shredder,what about you?dude :) >Know that WCCC should stand in reality for...... > >World Chess "Computer" Championship with the fundamental emphasis on "Computer" >not chess. Chess played by computers against other computers,you have to "program" the engine to let it play real chess.Computers alone cannot play chess. If you talk aboput hardware playing chess,you are providing nonsense and bullshit. >The WCCC will show no insight whatsoever for chess engines abilities while these >anomalies exist. > >The championships are in effect.....meaningless. > >It is a very piric victory to be declared World Champion on the basis of having >the best hardware and not the best chess engine. > >Until these points are addressed and the championships are made a level playing >field for all concerned they will and do continue to be about as useful for >computer chess development and improvement as a chocolate oven (remember not to >cook with it, it would melt). > >The only way to move forward is to give the same hardware, same software, same >protocol, no books, no tablebases........and therefore same chance to all who >participate. No same hardware!Why can't some program run in a Hydra hardware?some prorams are designed to play in specific hardware. >Money is not everything, progress is much more important than money. Prize money and product popularity is all that matters to a programmer. >We learn nothing from WCCC 2005, it matters not at this point in time who the >winner will be. It is also a very good reason why no amateur will spend money to >go to one of the most expensive countries on earth to get "a doing". Why put >yourself through all the pain? some free programs like Fruit may take part,also spike and Ikarus. Special appearance fees will also be given to the programmer by organisers ICGA. >I move this proposal to the floor to see what your thoughts are......maybe you >have none and do not care, but I do care, I care very much. So much so that I >have written this and therefore tried to show you this injustice is apparant and >happening soon in Rekjavic. Ido care,because I wanted to see the thrill of softwares playing and I wanted to see the games and improve my chess. >What do you all think? > >Christopher
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