Author: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Date: 10:49:56 06/17/05
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Hello Vegadapirate.
Congratulations. !!!
Your analysis is really very strong. Agreed. !!
I think that if chess human being play with other second computer on the desk,
for example, a Lap Top, and turn on the chess program in "infinite analysis",
will be doing an excellent Job that will be close to be impossible to discover
for the Internet Clubs Owners and administrators.
Sure there are some smart ideas that could put in a easy losing positions to the
Internet clubs, some like these:
CODE NUMBER ONE:
1- Connection in the club with a computer where never you will be making trap.
2- Turn on a second computer on the desk.
3- Turn on the engine, for example Chess base programs, and put in infinite
analysis, human Vs humans, thinking the engine all the time.
4- Start the game with your opening books that you to prefer and type to the
second engine the moves, remember in analysis mode.
5- Play mixed moves and in different sequences of answer, to destroy engines
like for example Speed Trap.
6- Some moves making by you, some making by engine.
7- Before to answer from the club, type your moves to the engine and select some
times not the first or second move that the engine to make.... look a 3 or 4
different line using your own imagination, but good lines, not the best one but
a good one too.
8- Make some not serious mistakes that never make an engine.
9- "Climbing and climbing for the first please to the club."
10- Make a record from the hystory
11- Type help records and, smile !!!!!!!
Now, if the cheater is a strong human being, like a GM, will be very easy to
make trap ...............
Why? Because usually in many answer they are going to make the same that the
engines, now the judge will be very difficult to do for the chess clubs.
Now look this ...... Why there are as strong and big differences in elos into
the clubs between GMs that in real life are too close?
................ Why until 500 elo or more of difference......... You have the
answer......
Elo is a farce, the chess have changed a lot, news days, are different.
Regard,
Pablo
Note. The Justice is only for foreign, not anymore. For example Look to the
train of the singer of the week = ???????? Oh my God??????
On June 17, 2005 at 11:40:46, Vegadapirate wrote:
>Well , there are detection systems but some cheaters are just so hard to catch
>,if not impossible .. i will like to share some ways cheaters use to cheat on
>internet chess..remember that some chess sites doesnt have task switching
>instead they have name of engines in their database ,whenever the person runs
>the specific engine , the system alerts, this can be easily cracked one can
>rename the engine file EXE to anything else for example Scanreg.exe thus it will
>think there is system scan.
>
>1.hard to detect - one would start the opening all by himself thus playing wrong
>lines of openings , for example starting with 1.h4 d5 2.h5 e5 , these cheater
>they usually continue to 5-6 moves then switch to engine from 6th move they do
>make the moves as they play it , so they do not lose much time.this is hard to
>get but if the game is analyzed , one might detect computer moves depending on
>how much time was given to the engine to think , for example it is very hard to
>detect it if the game is lets say 2 mins game , the cheater could give the
>engine just 0secs for move thus engine would play whatever move that comes in
>its search, its good bcoz then the engine plays probably at 2000 level for
>example gandalf 2700 will play at 2200 level at 0 sec game, thus there will be
>bad moves , so even if the game is analysed they will always get different moves
>than the ones made in the game.
>
>2.very very hard to detect almost impossible --- the trick would be to use The
>King engine settings which would play at say 1900 level , but remember 1900 is
>good for quick games bcoz human doesnt get the best moves that quick and engine
>has ponder on which gives engine upper hand,the settings can be adjusted to
>players style, it goes the same for opening the cheater would start with unusual
>opening and then move on to the engine , which would play very bad but still win
>the game , remember that 1900 settings can easily get a player 2300+ elo over
>internet chess.... , this sort of cheater can get in suspicious list if he gets
>lots of wins in row . it would become even harder if the player loses 2-3 games
>in between 10 games to higher rated players....
>
>3.this one beats all of them , the cheater would use 2 computers to cheat , so
>even task switching system wont work , this sort of cheater , would again play
>bullet games 2 mins , bcoz long games can be easier , as they might analyse the
>games and get same moves as chess programs, so cheaters usually use this kinda
>way to cheat in quick games , and again giving comp only 1 min for the exact
>game, so the engine would play bad moves all but trust me engines play very
>aggressive moves in 1 min compared to human , they usually crash players rated
>2600 easily over internet....
>
>there are some others , but they are easier to detect these are some hard ones
>to detect, even if the cheater gets caught he can easily get away as the admins
>will not find anything in his games , bcoz of the trickery..
>
>any other ideas???
>
>
>
>
>On June 17, 2005 at 10:40:01, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote:
>
>>Hello
>>I wonder if the anti-cheating by chess computer asistence, into Internet Chess
>>Clubs has any safety.
>>In my humble opinion, there are cheaters en mass playing into very important
>>Internet Chess Club making an strong Elo.
>>Look a simple example I have evaluated: I to keep the name of the club and the
>>chess players for respect, but .............
>>I dont belive in many human beings elo into Internet Chess Clubs
>>I have been studing games by myself that looks was playing as a human but before
>>a deep evaluation my conclution is simple.
>> "One of them made a computer asistence".
>>Finally ............ How is possible that the rank of a human chess player that
>>was fighting for the Word Human Chess Champion, has 326 minus elo that other
>>human chess player that is not stronger that him? and there are many many
>>examples like its.
>>
>>
>>Look an simple example> What do you think ?
>>
>>[Event " ___ 5 0"]
>>[Site " ____ ____ ____"]
>>[Date "2005.06.16"]
>>[Round "?"]
>>[White " I.M."] Human
>>[Black " ____"] A sure cheater
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[ECO "C40"]
>>[WhiteElo "--"]
>>[BlackElo "--"]
>>[PlyCount "--"]
>>[EventDate "2005.--"]
>>[TimeControl "---"]
>>
>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. Nxe5 Qf6 4. d4 d6 5. Nc4 fxe4 6. Nc3 Qg6 7. f3 exf3 8.
>>Qxf3 Nc6 9. Bd3 Qg4 10. Qe3+ Kf7 11. O-O+ Nf6 12. Ne4 b5 13. Ncd2 h6 14. Bxb5
>>Bd7 15. Bc4+ Kg6 16. Bd3 Kf7 17. Bc4+ Kg6 18. Rf3 Nxe4 19. Nxe4 Kh7 20. Rf7
>>Qd1+ 21. Bf1 Ne7 22. Nf6+ Kg6 23. Nxd7 Kxf7 24. b3 Nf5 25. Qe4 Qxd4+ 26. Qxd4
>>Nxd4 27. Bb2 Nxc2 28. Rc1 Ne3 29. Rxc7 Be7 30. Bd3 Rhc8 31. Rb7 Ke6 32. Ba3 Rc3
>>33. Bb5 Rc2 34. Bd3 Rxg2+ 35. Kh1 Rc8 36. Be4 Rxa2 {White resigns} 0-1
>>
>>[D]rnbqkbnr/pppp2pp/8/4pp2/4P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq f6 0 3
>>
>>[D]r1b2b1r/p1p2kpp/2np1n2/1p6/2NPN1q1/3BQ3/PPP3PP/R1B2RK1 w - b6 0 13
>>
>>[D]r4b1r/p1pb1Rpk/2np3p/8/2BPN3/4Q3/PPP3PP/R1Bq2K1 w - - 0 21
>>
>>[D]2r5/pR1Nb1p1/3pk2p/8/4B3/BP2n3/r6P/7K w - - 0 37
>>
>>
>>My own conclution:
>>
>>1/ White was a real human being and international master.
>>2/ Black played with chess computer asistence across infinite analisis, broking
>>the cadence that could discover for example, and engine as deep-trap.
>>2/Internet chess sistem of defense are a failure.
>>Note. That chess player played without C . !!!! Incredible !!!!
>>
>>Best regard,
>>Pablo
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