Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 11:04:41 06/17/05
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On June 17, 2005 at 02:36:15, Günther Simon wrote:
>On June 16, 2005 at 20:59:15, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On June 16, 2005 at 20:17:12, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>
>>>On June 16, 2005 at 16:55:53, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 16, 2005 at 03:47:53, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I dont buy it.
>>>>>The engines had to play all kind of weird stuff.
>>>>>For example Shredder had to play the positions after 1.d4 b5 2.e4 a6 or 1.e4 b6
>>>>>2.d4 e6 with black and several times 1.b4 and 1.g4 with white.
>>>>
>>>>Shredder used its own book and learning files (or possibly it was pure
>>>>learning?). Shredder 9 UCI was used with all defaults. Games were played under
>>>>Arena.
>>>
>>>I don`t have the UCI version of Shredder 9 but I thought Shredder can not use
>>>it`s own book under Arena.
>>>I honestly don`t think the new Shredder book plays lines like 1.d4 e5? or 1.d4
>>>b6 2.e4 b5? with black.
>>>
>
>Of course, Shredder UCI only uses its own book in its native GUI
>and Shredder CB won't play under Arena.
>(It still can do position learning independent from the GUI, though)
Shredder moved immediately for the first few moves, so if it did not find its
own book, it must have been running off of learning. Notice (for instance) in
this game that Shredder is not thinking at the start:
[Event "TT"]
[Site "DCORBIT64"]
[Date "2005.06.10"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Fruit_massy-intel-profile"]
[Black "Shredder9UCI"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A41"]
[Opening "Neo-Old Indian"]
[Time "16:03:02"]
[Variation "Modern, 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.Nf3"]
[TimeControl "600+5"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "89"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Nc3 e5 5.dxe5 {(d4xe5 d6xe5 Qd1xd8+ Ke8xd8 e2e4
Nb8c6 Bc1e3 Nc6d4 000 c7c5 Nc3b5 Ng8e7 Nf3g5 Rh8f8 Ng5xh7) +0.71/12 24} dxe5
{(d6xe5
Qd1xd8+ Ke8xd8 e2e4 Nb8c6 Bc1e3 Bc8d7 Bf1e2 Ng8h6 00 Nh6g4 Be3c5 b7b6 Bc5a3
Kd8c8)
-1.20/15 39} 6.Qxd8+ {(Qd1xd8+ Ke8xd8 e2e4 Nb8c6 Bc1e3 Nc6d4 000 c7c5 Nc3b5
Ng8e7 Nf3g5
Rh8f8 Ng5xh7) +0.71/12 23} Kxd8 {(Ke8xd8 Bc1d2 Bc8g4 000 Kd8c8 Nf3g5 Ng8h6)
-1.14/10}
7.g3 {(g2g3 Kd8e8 Bc1e3 Ng8e7 000 Bc8d7 Nc3b5 Nb8a6 Bf1g2 Ne7f5 Be3g5 f7f6
Bg5d2)
+0.66/13 28} f6 {(f7f6 b2b3 Nb8c6 Bc1a3 Bc8e6 Ra1d1+ Kd8c8 Bf1g2 Ng8e7 00 Rh8d8
Rd1xd8+
Kc8xd8 Rf1d1+ Kd8c8 Ba3c5 Be6g4) -0.83/16 34} 8.Bg2 {(Bf1g2 Ng8e7 00 Nb8a6
Rf1d1+
Kd8e8 Nf3e1 c7c6 Ne1f3 Bc8f5 Bc1e3 Ke8f7 Nf3h4 Bf5g4) +0.72/13 25} Nc6 {(Nb8c6
Bc1e3
Bc8e6 Ra1d1+ Kd8c8 Nc3d5 Ng8e7 Be3c5 Ne7f5 00 Rh8d8 Bg2h3 Ra8b8) -0.78/16 25}
9.Be3
{(Bc1e3 Bc8e6 000+ Kd8c8 b2b3 Ng8h6 Nc3e4 Nh6f5 Bg2h3 Kc8b8 Rd1d2 Rh8e8 Kc1b2)
+0.71/12
13} Be6 {(Bc8e6 Ra1d1+ Kd8c8 Nc3d5 Ng8e7 Be3c5 Ne7f5 e2e3 Rh8d8 00 Nf5d6 b2b3
Be6xd5 c4xd5 Nd6e4 d5xc6 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1) -0.76/15 17} 10.Rd1+ {(Ra1d1+ Kd8c8
Nc3d5
Ng8e7 Be3c5 Rh8e8 Nf3d2 f6f5 Nd2f3 h7h6 Nd5xe7+ Nc6xe7 b2b3 e5e4 Nf3d4) +0.75/12
17}
Kc8 {(Kd8c8 Nc3d5 Ng8e7 Be3c5 Rh8e8 b2b3 Ne7f5 00 Nf5d4 Rd1d2 Nd4xf3+ Bg2xf3
f6f5
Bf3g2 e5e4 a2a3 Re8d8) -0.76/15 9} 11.Nd5 {(Nc3d5 Ng8e7 Be3c5 Rh8e8 00 a7a5
Nf3d2
Be6d7 Nd2e4 Ne7xd5 c4xd5 Nc6b4 a2a3) +0.77/13 21} Nge7 {(Ng8e7 Be3c5 Ne7f5 Nf3d2
Rh8d8) -0.72/15 25} 12.Bc5 {(Be3c5 Ne7f5 e2e4 Nf5h6 00 b7b6 Bc5e3 Kc8b7 Rd1d3
Nh6g4
Be3d2 Bg7h6 Bd2xh6 Ng4xh6 Nd5xf6 Be6xc4) +0.50/13 31} Nf5 {(Ne7f5 00 b7b6 Bc5a3
Kc8b7) -0.92/15 53} 13.e4 {(e2e4 Nf5h6 00 b7b6 Bc5e3 Kc8b7 Rd1d3 Ra8d8 Rf1d1
Nh6g4
Be3d2 Bg7h6 Bd2xh6 Ng4xh6) +0.46/13 33} Nfd4 {(Nf5d4 Bc5xd4 Nc6xd4 Nf3xd4 e5xd4
Rd1xd4 f6f5 Rd4d2 f5xe4 Bg2xe4 c7c6 Nd5e3 Kc8c7 00 Ra8d8 Rf1d1 Rh8e8 Rd2xd8)
-0.85/15
36} 14.Nxd4 {(Nf3xd4 Nc6xd4 Bc5xd4 e5xd4 Rd1xd4 f6f5 Rd4d2 f5xe4 Ke1e2 Rh8e8
Nd5e3
Bg7f6 Rh1d1 Be6f5 Ne3xf5 g6xf5) +0.45/12 18} Nxd4 {(Nc6xd4 f2f4 Nd4c6 00 b7b6
Bc5e3
Kc8b7 b2b4) -0.86/16 59} 15.f4 {(f2f4 c7c6 Nd5xf6 Bg7xf6 f4xe5 Bf6xe5 Bc5xd4
Be5xd4
Rd1xd4 Kc8c7 b2b3 Ra8d8 Rd4xd8 Rh8xd8 Rh1f1 b7b6) +0.40/12 11} Nc6 {(Nd4c6 00
b7b6
Bc5e3 Kc8b7 b2b4) -0.86/14 16} 16.Be3 {(Bc5e3 b7b6 f4f5 Be6f7 g3g4 Kc8b7 g4g5
f6xg5
f5f6 Bg7h6 00) +0.65/11 12} exf4 {(e5xf4 g3xf4 a7a5 00 Rh8e8 Rd1d2 Kc8b8 Bg2f3
Nc6b4
b2b3 Nb4xd5 c4xd5 Be6f5 Rd2d4) -0.79/14 31} 17.gxf4 {(g3xf4 Rh8e8 Ke1f2 Ra8b8
Rh1g1
b7b5 f4f5 Be6d7 Bg2f3 b5xc4 Rd1d2 g6g5) +0.68/11 11} Re8 {(Rh8e8 b2b3 a7a5 Nd5c3
a5a4 Nc3xa4 Be6xc4 Rd1d2 Nc6b4 Na4c5 Ra8a3 e4e5 b7b6 Bg2b7+) -0.93/15 31} 18.Kf2
{(Ke1f2 Nc6a5 b2b3 c7c6 Nd5c3 Bg7h6 Kf2e2 Kc8c7 f4f5 Bh6xe3 f5xe6 Be3c5 Rd1d7+
Kc7b6)
+0.69/12 17} Rb8 {(Ra8b8 b2b3 b7b6 Rh1e1 Re8f8 f4f5) -0.96/13 34} 19.Rd2 {(Rd1d2
b7b6
Rh1d1 a7a5 f4f5 Be6xd5 Rd2xd5 Nc6e5 Be3f4 Kc8b7 Bf4xe5 Re8xe5 Rd5xe5 f6xe5)
+0.76/12
17} Bg4 {(Be6g4 Rh1e1 h7h6 b2b3 a7a6 h2h3 Bg4h5 Kf2g3) -1.36/14 50} 20.Kg3
{(Kf2g3
Bg4e6 h2h4 h7h5 Bg2f3 Be6g4 Rh1g1 f6f5 e4e5 Bg4xf3 Kg3xf3 Bg7xe5 f4xe5 Nc6xe5+
Kf3g3
Ne5xc4) +1.09/12 17} Be6 {(Bg4e6 Rh1d1 a7a6 Kg3f2 h7h5 h2h3 b7b6 b2b4 a6a5 b4b5
Nc6b4
Nd5xb4 a5xb4 Rd2d4 Kc8b7) -1.40/14 21} 21.h4 {(h2h4 b7b5 h4h5 g6g5 h5h6 Bg7h8
f4xg5
f6xg5 Be3xg5 Bh8e5+ Bg5f4 Re8g8+ Kg3f3 Be6g4+ Kf3f2 b5xc4 Bf4xe5 Nc6xe5)
+0.93/12 14}
a5 {(a7a5 Rh1d1 b7b6 c4c5 b6b5 a2a3 Kc8b7 b2b4 Rb8d8 b4xa5 Be6xd5 Rd2xd5 Rd8xd5
Rd1xd5) -1.26/14 23} 22.Bf3 {(Bg2f3 f6f5 e4e5 Rb8a8 Be3c5 a5a4 Nd5e3 Ra8a6 Rh1c1
Bg7f8
Bc5xf8 Re8xf8 Rc1g1) +1.22/12 20} b6 {(b7b6 h4h5 g6xh5) -0.95/13 14} 23.h5
{(h4h5 g6g5
h5h6 Bg7h8 b2b3 f6f5 e4xf5 Be6xf5 f4xg5 Bh8e5+ Be3f4 Kc8b7 Nd5f6 Re8e7 Bf4xe5
Re7xe5) +1.09/12 20} g5 {(g6g5 b2b3 g5xf4+ Nd5xf4 Bg7h6 Kg3f2 Bh6xf4 Be3xf4
Re8g8 Rh1g1
Rg8xg1 Kf2xg1 Kc8b7 e4e5 Rb8g8+ Kg1f2) -1.05/13 17} 24.h6 {(h5h6 Bg7h8 b2b3
g5xf4+
Nd5xf4 Re8g8+ Kg3f2 Be6d7 Nf4d5 Kc8d8 c4c5 Nc6e7 Be3f4 Ne7xd5 Rd2xd5) +0.94/11
20} Bh8
{(Bg7h8 c4c5 b6xc5 Be3xc5 f6f5 b2b3 g5xf4+ Kg3xf4 f5xe4 Bf3xe4 a5a4 Nd5f6
Bh8xf6)
-0.98/11 3} 25.Rc1 {(Rh1c1 g5xf4+ Be3xf4 Rb8b7 Kg3f2 f6f5 Nd5e3 f5xe4 Bf3xe4
Re8f8
Be4xc6 Rf8xf4+ Kf2g3 Bh8e5 Bc6xb7+ Kc8xb7 Kg3g2) +0.99/11 19} Kb7 {(Kc8b7 f4f5
Be6g8
c4c5 b6b5) -1.09/12 11} 26.c5 {(c4c5 b6b5 Bf3h5 Re8f8 f4f5 Be6f7 Bh5xf7 Rf8xf7
a2a4
b5xa4 Rc1a1 Rf7d7 Ra1xa4) +0.71/11 16} b5 {(b6b5 Kg3f2 g5xf4 Be3xf4 Rb8c8 Bf3e2
b5b4
Be2b5 f6f5) -0.76/13 14} 27.Re1 {(Rc1e1 Rb8c8 Bf3h5 g5xf4+ Be3xf4 Re8g8+ Kg3f2
f6f5
e4e5 Rc8d8 Bh5f3 a5a4 Rd2d3 Rg8g6) +0.73/11 10} Reg8 {(Re8g8 Kg3f2 Rb8d8 Bf3e2
b5b4
Re1d1 g5xf4 Be3xf4 Nc6e5 Be2a6+ Kb7b8 Nd5e7 Rd8xd2+ Rd1xd2 Rg8g4) -0.55/12 20}
28.f5
{(f4f5 Be6xd5 e4xd5 Nc6e5 d5d6+ c7c6 Rd2d4 a5a4 Be3d2 a4a3 b2b3 Rb8d8 Bd2b4
Rd8a8 d6d7
Ne5xf3 Kg3xf3) +1.66/13 8} Bxd5 {(Be6xd5 e4xd5 Nc6e5 d5d6+ c7c6 Be3d4 Rb8d8
Bf3g2
Rd8d7 Bg2e4 Rd7d8 Rd2e2 b5b4) -2.35/15 46} 29.exd5 {(e4xd5 Nc6e5 d5d6+ c7c6
Rd2d4
a5a4 Be3d2 Rb8e8 Rd4e4 Re8d8 Bf3h5 Rd8d7 Bd2c3 Ne5d3 Bh5e8) +1.66/14 13} Ne5
{(Nc6e5
d5d6+ c7c6 Be3d4 Rg8e8 Rd2e2) -2.26/16 16} 30.d6+ {(d5d6+ c7c6 Rd2d4 a5a4 Be3d2
Kb7a6
Rd4b4 Rb8e8 Rb4e4 Ka6b7 Bf3h5 Re8a8 Bd2c3 a4a3 Bc3xe5 f6xe5) +1.72/14 15} c6
{(c7c6
Be3d4 Rb8d8 Bf3g2 Rd8d7 Rd2e2 Rg8d8 Re1d1 Ne5f7 Rd1h1 Nf7e5 Rh1f1) -2.24/16 12}
31.Rd4 {(Rd2d4 a5a4 Be3d2 Kb7a6 Rd4b4 Rb8e8 Rb4e4 Ka6b7 Bf3h5 Re8a8 Bd2c3 a4a3
Bc3xe5
f6xe5) +1.72/14 13} Rbd8 {(Rb8d8 Be3d2 Kb7a6 Bf3g2 Rd8xd6) -2.18/15 21} 32.Bd2
{(Be3d2
Kb7a6 Rd4e4 Rd8a8 a2a4 Ne5xf3 Kg3xf3 b5xa4 d6d7 Rg8d8 Re4e8 Ka6b5 Re8xd8 Ra8xd8
Re1e7
Kb5xc5 Re7xh7) +1.85/13 10} Rda8 {(Rd8a8 d6d7 b5b4) -2.23/14 8} 33.d7 {(d6d7
b5b4
Rd4d6 Kb7c7 Re1xe5 f6xe5 Rd6xc6+ Kc7xd7 Rc6d6+ Kd7c7 Bf3xa8 Rg8xa8 f5f6 Ra8f8
Bd2xg5
e5e4 Kg3g4) +2.54/13 12} b4 {(b5b4 Rd4d6 Ra8d8 Re1xe5 f6xe5 Bf3xc6+ Kb7c7 Kg3g4
e5e4
f5f6 Rd8f8) -2.85/15 17} 34.Rd6 {(Rd4d6 Kb7c7 Re1xe5 f6xe5 Rd6xc6+ Kc7xd7 Rc6d6+
Kd7c7 Bf3xa8 Rg8xa8 f5f6 Ra8g8 Kg3g4 e5e4 b2b3 Rg8f8 Bd2xg5) +2.54/14 12} Rad8
{(Ra8d8 Re1xe5 f6xe5 Bf3xc6+ Kb7c7 Kg3g4 e5e4 f5f6 Rd8f8) -2.85/14 5} 35.Rxe5
{(Re1xe5
f6xe5 Bf3xc6+ Kb7c7 Kg3g4 e5e4 f5f6 Rg8g6 Bd2xg5 Rd8g8 d7d8Q+ Rg8xd8 f6f7
Rg6xg5+
Kg4xg5 Rd8f8 Bc6e8 Bh8e5 Rd6e6 Be5xb2 Re6e7+ Kc7d8 Re7xe4) +2.32/14 12} fxe5
{(f6xe5
Rd6xc6 e5e4 Bf3xe4 Rd8xd7 Rc6g6+ Kb7c7 Rg6xg8 Bh8e5+ Kg3g4 Rd7xd2 Kg4xg5 Be5xb2
f5f6
Bb2c1 Rg8g7+ Rd2d7+ Kg5h5 Bc1b2) -2.10/16 7} 36.f6 {(f5f6 e5e4 Bf3xe4 Kb7c7
Rd6xc6+
Kc7xd7 Rc6a6 Rg8f8 Bd2xg5 Rf8f7 Be4d5 Rf7f8 Kg3g4 Kd7c8 Ra6a8+ Kc8d7 Ra8a7+
Kd7e8)
+3.07/14 8} Kc7 {(Kb7c7 Bf3xc6 Rd8f8 d7d8B+ Rf8xd8 f6f7 Rg8f8 Rd6xd8 Kc7xd8
Bd2xg5+
Kd8c7) -2.06/15 12} 37.f7 {(f6f7 Rg8f8 Rd6xc6+ Kc7xd7 Bd2xg5 Rd8b8 Rc6a6 b4b3
Bf3d5
Rb8c8 a2xb3 Rc8xc5 Bd5e6+ Kd7c7 Bg5e7 Rf8xf7 Be7xc5 Rf7f6 Ra6a7+ Kc7c6) +4.24/14
10}
Rgf8 {(Rg8f8 Rd6xc6+ Kc7xd7 Bd2xg5 Rd8c8 Rc6d6+ Kd7c7 Rd6a6 e5e4 Bf3xe4 Bh8e5+
Kg3g2
Kc7b8 Ra6a8+ Kb8c7 Ra8xa5 Kc7d7 Be4f5+ Kd7c7 Bf5xc8 Rf8xc8) -5.48/17 14}
38.Rxc6+
{(Rd6xc6+ Kc7xd7 Bd2xg5 Rd8b8 Rc6d6+ Kd7c7 Rd6a6 e5e4 Bf3xe4 Bh8e5+ Kg3g4 Rb8b7
Ra6xa5
b4b3 Kg4f5 Be5xb2 Bg5f4+ Kc7d8 Ra5a8+ Kd8e7 Ra8xf8 b3xa2) +4.37/15 11} Kxd7
{(Kc7xd7
Bd2xg5 Rd8c8 Rc6d6+ Kd7c7 Rd6a6 e5e4 Bf3xe4 Bh8e5+ Kg3g2 Rf8xf7 Ra6a7+ Kc7b8
Ra7xf7
Rc8g8 Rf7f5 Be5xb2 Kg2f3 Kb8c7) -5.91/17 4} 39.Bxg5 {(Bd2xg5 Rd8b8 Rc6d6+ Kd7c8
Bf3d5
a5a4 Rd6e6 Rf8xf7 Re6e8+ Kc8c7 Re8xb8 Kc7xb8 Bd5xf7 e5e4 Bg5f4+ Kb8c8 Bf7e6+
Kc8d8
b2b3) +4.55/15 11} Rdc8 {(Rd8c8 Rc6d6+ Kd7c7 Rd6a6 e5e4 Bf3xe4 Bh8e5+ Kg3g2
Rf8xf7
Ra6a7+ Kc7b8 Ra7xf7 Rc8g8 Rf7f5 Be5xb2 Kg2f3 a5a4 c5c6) -6.00/16 4} 40.Rd6+
{(Rc6d6+
Kd7c7 Rd6a6 e5e4 Bf3xe4 Bh8e5+ Kg3g4 Kc7d7 Be4f5+ Kd7c7 Bf5xc8 Kc7xc8 Ra6a8+
Be5b8
Bg5f4 Kc8d7 Ra8xb8 Rf8xf7 Rb8b7+ Kd7e6 c5c6) +5.68/14 11} Kc7 {(Kd7c7 Rd6a6 e5e4
Bf3xe4 Bh8e5+ Kg3g2 Rf8xf7 Ra6a7+ Kc7b8 Ra7xf7 Rc8g8 Rf7f5 Be5xb2 Kg2f3 a5a4
c5c6)
-6.00/10} 41.Ra6 {(Rd6a6 e5e4 Bf3xe4 Bh8e5+ Kg3g4 Kc7d7 Be4f5+ Kd7c7 Bf5xc8
Kc7xc8 Ra6a8+
Be5b8 Bg5f4 Kc8d7 Ra8xb8 Rf8xf7 Rb8b7+ Kd7e6 c5c6 Rf7e7) +5.74/14 6} e4 {(e5e4
Bf3xe4
Bh8e5+ Kg3g4 Rc8d8 Kg4f5 Rf8xf7+ Kf5xe5 Rd8e8+ Ke5d4 Re8xe4+ Kd4xe4 Kc7b7)
-8.11/16
13} 42.Bxe4 {(Bf3xe4 Bh8e5+ Kg3g4 Kc7d7 Be4f5+ Kd7c7 Bf5xc8 Kc7xc8 Ra6a8+ Be5b8
Bg5f4 Kc8d7 Ra8xb8 Rf8xf7 Rb8b7+ Kd7e6 c5c6 Rf7e7 Rb7xe7+ Ke6xe7 Kg4f5) +5.86/13
6}
Be5+ {(Bh8e5+ Kg3g4 Rc8d8 Kg4f5 Rf8xf7+ Kf5xe5 Rd8e8+ Ke5d4) -8.11/15 7} 43.Kg4
{(Kg3g4 Rc8d8 Ra6a7+ Kc7c8 Ra7a8+ Be5b8 Bg5xd8 Rf8xd8 Be4xh7 Kc8d7 Bh7g8 b4b3
a2xb3
Kd7e7 h6h7 Rd8d4+ Kg4f5 Rd4d5+ Kf5e4) +6.16/13 7} Kd7 {(Kc7d7 Be4f5+ Kd7c7
Bf5xc8
Rf8xc8 Bg5e7 Be5xb2 Ra6xa5 Bb2e5 Ra5a7+ Kc7c6 f7f8Q Rc8xf8 Be7xf8 Be5c7 Kg4f5)
-8.12/14 4} 44.Bf5+ {(Be4f5+ Kd7c7 Bf5xc8 Kc7xc8 Ra6a8+ Be5b8 Bg5f4 Kc8d7 Ra8xb8
Rf8xf7
Rb8b7+ Kd7e6 c5c6 Rf7f5 Rb7xh7 Rf5c5 Rh7g7 Rc5c2) +7.20/13 13} Kc7 {(Kd7c7
Bf5xc8
Rf8xc8 Bg5e7 Be5xb2 Ra6xa5 Bb2e5 Ra5a7+ Kc7c6 f7f8Q Rc8xf8 Be7xf8 Be5c7 Kg4f5)
-8.12/10} 45.Bxc8 {(Bf5xc8 Kc7xc8 Ra6a8+ Be5b8 Bg5f4 Kc8d7 Ra8xb8 Rf8xf7 Rb8b7+
Kd7e6
c5c6 Rf7f8 Rb7xh7 a5a4 Rh7d7 Rf8g8+ Kg4f3 Rg8g1) +7.47/14 7} {1-0 Arena
Adjudication} 1-0
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