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Subject: Re: Is WCCC 2005 fair?

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 01:56:45 06/18/05

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On June 18, 2005 at 01:03:04, Uri Blass wrote:

>On June 17, 2005 at 18:53:56, Sune Fischer wrote:
>
>>On June 17, 2005 at 08:25:01, Christopher Conkie wrote:
>>
>>>The WCCC will show no insight whatsoever for chess engines abilities while these
>>>anomalies exist.
>>
>>Yes but short tournament show little to no insight anyway due to the statistical
>>uncertainties. Think of it as a sport rather than science.
>>
>>There are however numerous basement tournaments done, so I see no faul in a
>>single sports tournament here or there for those that enjoy that.
>>
>>>The championships are in effect.....meaningless.
>>>
>>>It is a very piric victory to be declared World Champion on the basis of having
>>>the best hardware and not the best chess engine.
>>
>>Anyone who understands anything about computer chess knows speed is a factor,
>>e.g. when was the last time a single cpu engine won a major tournament?
>
>I think that in 1999 when Shredder 1 cpu came first and Ferret,Junior,Fritz
>failed inspite of having more processors.
>
>see http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/99wc$tix.htm

Yes and this is 2005 :)

Although I think The King also managed to do so in a more recent tourney.
Still these seem to be the exceptions rather than the rule.

>Note only that the winners of future events are also better with a single cpu
>so results do not prove that speed is a factor.

You need proof speed is a factor?? :)

I seem to remember you yourself pleeding for an operator of Movei with faster
hardware than your own at just about every CCT event. ;)

>If you can show me that superior engines with one cpu failed to win
>championships because they did not support more than one cpu that it will be
>more convincing.

I think with Junior and Zappa on quads in CCT6 it would have been a whole
different ball of wax.
Zappa (and Hiarcs on single!) tied the main event but Crafty on a quad won the
playoffs.

>I do not claim that speed is not an important factor but only that results of
>tournaments do not prove it.

Hehe I claim they do prove it. :)
I mean you can find exceptions sure, but that doesn't really do much dispute the
general assertation that speed helps.

-S.

>Uri



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