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Subject: Re: New shredder 9/fruit test starting

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 03:34:06 06/18/05

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On June 18, 2005 at 06:24:52, Madhavan wrote:

>On June 18, 2005 at 06:12:36, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On June 18, 2005 at 04:07:23, Fabien Letouzey wrote:
>>
>>>On June 17, 2005 at 20:11:29, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 17, 2005 at 18:57:27, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>This is a first pass test (high speed, 5'+1") -- just testing the interface now.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is done under the Shredder 9 classic GUI.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Program                                   Elo    +   -  Games Score  Av.Op.
>>>>>Draws
>>>>>1 Fruit 2.1 (Brian's Build; Dann's Bk)    : 2782  511 462    4  62.5 %  2694
>>>>>25.0 %
>>>>>2 Fruit 2.1 (Brian's Build; Gordon's Bk)  : 2782  511 102    4  62.5 %  2694
>>>>>75.0 %
>>>>>3 Fruit 2.1 (Gordon's Build; Gordon's Bk) : 2782  511 462    4  62.5 %  2694
>>>>>25.0 %
>>>>>4 Shredder 9 UCI                          : 2711  600 600    4  50.0 %  2711
>>>>>0.0 %
>>>>>5 Fruit 2.1  (Gordon's Build; Dann's Bk)  : 2441  379 262    4  12.5 %  2779
>>>>>25.0 %
>>>>>
>>>>>I will run several hundred games over the weekend.
>>>>
>>>> I hope it will not be at this time control, right.......:-)
>>>> My wish would be for classic time controls, but i know time is never enough for
>>>>this to hit the one hundred limit of games...........So a factor of 20 seconds
>>>>per move would make me happy......The final choice is yours of course..........!
>>>>
>>>> This damn Fruit(I observe this especially with TOGA II) seems to be the first
>>>>free engine that threats the great and living at another galaxy Shredder 9! I'm
>>>>sure that Shredder will show who is the boss...........In order for this to
>>>>happen, i expect a 60% or more score..........
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>My earlier test was definitely flawed, Shredder was using the default Arena book
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>If you look at the per-engine details from Dann's previous tournament, you see
>>>indeed Shredder scoring 60% vs. Fruit.
>>>
>>>However most people will only look at the first ten lines it seems.
>>>
>>>Fabien.
>>
>>I think that positional learning may help shredder unless fruit have also
>>positional learning.
>>
>>I think that testing both shredder and fruit in tournaments against many engines
>>may be more interesting because positional learning will be less efective.
>>
>>For me the interesting results are results of CEGT when shredder does not use
>>it's own book.
>>I think that it gives better picture of the potential of fruit relative to
>>shredder.
>
>Has Movei been tested by CEGT?


Yes

Uri



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