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Subject: Re: Has Thomas Gaksch become co-author of Fruit?

Author: Günther Simon

Date: 10:54:07 06/18/05

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On June 18, 2005 at 13:44:19, Bryan Hofmann wrote:

>On June 18, 2005 at 13:22:58, Gabor Szots wrote:
>
>>On June 18, 2005 at 13:11:27, Bryan Hofmann wrote:
>>
>>>On June 18, 2005 at 11:30:05, Gabor Szots wrote:
>>>
>>>>An excerpt from the readme of the new Fruit:
>>>>
>>>> "added PV-node extensions (this is from Toga), e.g. extending
>>>>  recaptures only at PV nodes.  Not sure if these extensions help; if
>>>>  they do, we all need to recognise Thomas Gaksch's contribution to
>>>>  the community!"
>>>>
>>>>In my opinion it does not matter whether they help. In my interpretation Fabien
>>>>uses something Thomas invented or something from his code. The same what Thomas
>>>>did (only to much less extent).
>>>>This adds to the confusion and controversion. What do we have now: two engines
>>>>or two personalities? Or more? Fruit 2.1 based on Toga II based on Fruit 2.0?
>>>>Ridiculous. The whole GPL is ridiculous.
>>>
>>>
>>>Why, do you want to follow the teachings of only one mind. GPL uses the concept
>>>that more then one brain is better the a single brain.
>>
>>Does GPL also use the concept that one code is better than starting from
>>scratch?
>>
>
>Reinventing the wheel from scratch makes no sense.
>
>>>
>>>Would you call Crafty this? Crafty uses EGTB's like many other programs and that
>>>chunk of code was written by Nalimov.
>>>
>>
>>Did Nalimov write that code for his own fun only or also for use in chess
>>programs?
>>
>
>As far as I know Fabien and Thomas wrote their code for fun as there is no
>charge for the program. There are other snippets of code in Crafty like the
>Futility pruning that were not written by Hyatt yet I have not seen you complain
>about this...
>
>>>
>>>>Maybe Fabien intended to implement these PV-node extensions anyway. Thomas did
>>>>it _for him_ (!) and now Fabien has to refer to Thomas otherwise he would be a
>>>>thief!
>>>>
>>>>I can only recommend to all authors not to publish their source code. At least
>>>>not if their engine plays too well. Maybe it is too late.
>>>
>>>There are and have been several chess engines that were written with more then
>>>one individual involved. I fail to see any reasoning behind this statement.
>>>
>>
>>Those individuals deliberately chose one another for a joint venture.
>
>And that is the whole point of GPL if you would just take the time to understand
>it.

Well, IMHO the last sentence seems to be a downhill pervertion ...
If GPL would be really copy and paste without even trying to
understand anything, something must be wrong.

Guenther



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