Author: Joachim Rang
Date: 06:18:37 06/19/05
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On June 19, 2005 at 08:22:39, Uri Blass wrote: >On June 19, 2005 at 08:12:54, Joachim Rang wrote: > >>On June 19, 2005 at 06:57:43, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On June 19, 2005 at 06:43:00, Joachim Rang wrote: >>> >>>>On June 19, 2005 at 02:24:52, Roger D Davis wrote: >>>> >>>>>Since Fruit is just a notch down from Shredder and Fritz, >>>> >>>>Data? I've seen nothing which remotely allows such a conclusion. I'm quite sure >>>>Fruit 2.1 is about 100 Elo-Points behind Shredder 9. This is a very tough gap. >>> >>>I am not so sure and I saw better result than it for fruit. >>>It is probably weaker than Shredder9 but may be better than all other commercial >>>programs based on results that I read if you ignore positional learning and book >>>learning(I guess Fruit does not have it today but it is no problem for Fabien to >>>add it). >>> >>>one of the results is beating Fritz8 31-19 >>> >>>http://wbforum.volker-pittlik.name/viewtopic.php?t=2867 >> >>yeah I saw that, but i's only blitz and still not reliale. You will see in the >>end with longer time controls Fruit will be perhaps the best freeware engine but >>weaker than Shredder, Fritz and Junior for sure. > >I wonder how can you be sure without enough games. >I think that it is too early to know about longer time control. > >Fruit may be weaker than Fritz and Junior but also may be better than Shredder >(note that the interesting question for me is testing from nunn type positions >and not testing with books when book learning or positional learning can be >decisive). > >Uri I agree. For now it is pure speculation. But would be _very_ surprised if Fruit is sronger than Fritz 8 on longer time controls. The list you mean is probably this: http://www.computerschach.de/index.php?option=com_wrapper&wrap=erangliste&Itemid=152 They are currently testing Fruit 2.1, have a look there in 10 days. regards Joachim
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