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Subject: Re: Fruit 2.1 will be in the top 5 on SSDF list

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 03:32:07 06/22/05

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On June 22, 2005 at 06:26:18, Henrik Dinesen wrote:

>On June 22, 2005 at 04:37:31, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On June 22, 2005 at 03:39:54, Sally Weltrop wrote:
>>
>>>Spare me the lecture about we need a million games. You see a boxer and you know
>>>just by how he fights and who he is fighting that he is got that something
>>>"special".
>>>
>>>Remember my words cause they will ring true.
>>>
>>>That's without learning capacity and no EGTB's
>>
>>I do not expect fruit without learning to be in the top 5 of the ssdf today.
>>
>>I expect Shredder9,Shredder8,Shredder7.04,Junior9 and Deep Fritz8 to have bigger
>>ssdf rating.
>>
>>I do not claim that all of them are better than fruit(Fritz and Junior may be
>>weaker) but considering the fact that fritz and Junior use learning I expect
>>them to have bigger ssdf rating.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Hi Uri,
>
>The last part is a bit unclear to me.
>Do you mean "_if_ learn was implemented in Fritz and Junior"? I don't beleive
>that you're suggesting that it's already (if that's the case, please point to
>where such learning is hidden).
>
>Regards,
>Henrik

I think that learning is hidden in the chessbase interface.

Fritz and Junior are using book learning and try to repeat lines that it win and
to avoid lines that it lost.

If Fruit also does it then they have no learning advantage relative to Fruit but
my assumption is that Fruit does not do it because based on my understanding
"without learning capacity" includes also without being able to use book
learning(of course Fruit is not allowed to use the chessbase interface in the
ssdf tests).

Uri



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