Author: Torstein Hall
Date: 13:09:20 06/22/05
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On June 21, 2005 at 18:36:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On June 21, 2005 at 16:44:21, Torstein Hall wrote: > >>On June 21, 2005 at 15:30:03, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On June 21, 2005 at 14:19:44, Robin Smith wrote: >>> >>>>On June 21, 2005 at 14:11:23, Mark Young wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 21, 2005 at 14:04:37, Ted Summers wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>To sum it up " He played a drawish opening in a tactic way. " Not a good idea >>>>>>when computers are able to hang with the best and proving themself as better >>>>>>than humans in open tactical positions. However I still think GM Adams can pull >>>>>>it together and Win or Draw this match. >>>>>> >>>>>>[D] r2q1rk1/1pp3pp/p2b4/nP1p1p1b/2PPn3/3B1N1P/P1QN1PP1/1RB1R1K1 b - - 0 17 >>>>>> >>>>>>Having reached this position, we seemed to be watching the beginning of the end >>>>>>for Adams in the first game but hopefully not the match. >>>>> >>>>>C4! was a killer positional shot. >>>> >>>>c4 was a good move, but hardly a "killer". >>>> >>>>>It seems clear GM Adams missed this move when he played Na5. >>>> >>>>Perhaps Adams miissed it, but it hardly seems "clear", since Black is still OK >>>>afterwards. His loss happened later. >>>> >>>>-Robin >>>The problem here is that the kingside is already a bit open. One does _not_, as >>>a human, allow the computer to open _both_ sides of the board in the same game. >>>It invites a debacle such as this. Of course, he made a couple of tactical >>>errors around the point where the rook on C8 was hanging, but he was already in >>>the wrong kind of position... >>> >>>All the comps were suggesting the same moves as played by Hydra, so there was no >>>real surprises from the white side, just black making an error here, an error >>>there, before long he fell off the rim of the canyon. >> >>This is in my view far to general. Black was at least = uptil move 23.Be6 >>[D]2rq1r1k/6pp/p2bB3/2p1Np1b/3Pn3/7P/P1Q2PP1/1RB1R1K1 b - - 0 23 > > >Define "equal". Here I am considering the important detail that white is a >computer, black is a human. In that regard, black is _not_ equal up to move 23. > In fact, I don't believe black is anywhere near equal. He isn't lost, but he >is far from equal and is at best fighting for a draw. But in an open position. >And he just has no chance in that kind of position. > >But I would take white anywhere along the way in that game, as a human playing >another human. And by the way, any move after the "knight to the rim" move >finds white better IMHO. In fact Adams could have forced a draw in the line I gave as OK last post. So chesswise black was OK. I guess Adams just did not see through the complex variations. Torstein > > > >>Adams played 23...Rc7 while 23...cxd4 looks like it holds everything nicely >>together. > >Doesn't quite hold everything nicely together. The comps were at about +1 here >already, went to +1.5 on the Rc7 move. But then the next few moves were mostly >bad by black, turning this into a debacle. But if there were not so many open >files, open diagonals, etc, black wouldn't have had to be worrying about tactics >all over the board. > > > >> One line could be 23...cxd4 24.Qxc8 Qf6 25.Qc4 Qxe5 26.Qa5 and black >>looks OK to me. > >But white looks better to me there. Maybe not "winning better" but >"significantly better". > >> >>Torstein
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