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Subject: Re: CEGT rating list 40/40 (2 Ghz), Fruit 2.1 with 960 games

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 14:54:14 06/24/05

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On June 24, 2005 at 11:02:25, Heinz van Kempen wrote:

>Hi all  ,
>
>as interest in Fruit 2.1 is very high (no surpirse as it is gorgeously strong)
>CEGT testers are updating the rating list more often than usually.
>
>You can“t find it on our websites, but here when scolling to the bottom:
>
>http://wbforum.volker-pittlik.name/viewtopic.php?t=2906
>
>This one is a provisional as a lot more games will come tomorrow for example
>from Michael und Uschi and we will give a new one on our websites tomorrow
>evening. Compared to the last rating list given by Christian Fruit lost two
>points while Fritz won two, due to a very good performance in CEGT WCC and due
>to the individual results against Fruit. According to the error bars we have now
>with 960 games for Fruit it can still go to rank 2 with some hundred games more.
>In case of very bad performance it could also drop to rank 4 or 5.
>
>By giving more matches against the very top we raised the average opposition ELO
>for Fruit now to the opponent level Junior has. The assumption that this would
>increase ELO so far did not prove to be true, what Michael and I anyway already
>doubted from all the tournaments we ran in the past years. It can happen for
>some engines that they perform better against the top, it can as well be that
>rating increases when playing against the lower end of the list. We had all this
>cases. For Fruit 2.0 Michael in his Active Chess ratinglist had an improvement
>as soon as the former version played against weaker opposition.
>
>http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/
>
>http://www.miko42.de/ (german)
>
>http://www.chessfighters.de/cegt/
>
>http://uk.geocities.com/bloodhound66@btinternet.com/index.htm
>
>Best Regards
>Heinz


Great service Heinz. You were able to come with a reliable rating in a couple of
days. My congratulations to you and of course to Fabien for his incredible
engine.

regards Joachim

P.S.: Whether it finishes ahead or behind of Fritz is an interesting question
from a sporting point of view but relatively uninteresting for determining the
strength of Fruit. It is as strong as Fritz!!!



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