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Subject: Re: Shredder - Hydra 1-0 (CSVN, 2004)

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 13:10:38 06/26/05

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On June 26, 2005 at 15:40:32, Peter Kappler wrote:

>On June 26, 2005 at 14:49:03, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>
>>On June 26, 2005 at 12:40:38, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>> And I do think you need to give more than one example to support your claim.
>>>>>If it was truly a 150-point bug, it should be easy to find several positions.
>>>>
>>>>By mistake part of the program was deleted. This bug could not be seen at blitz
>>>>level and was effecting the game only at high depths.
>>>>It was related to pieces exchange handling info, this is why it was not able to
>>>>see deeper on tactical combination if involving pieces exchange and was giving
>>>>away pawns without compensation in some positions.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It is strange that Stefan makes no mention of such a serious bug in his
>>>>>post-match report.
>>>>
>>>>Well, he was not pround to discover that, but you can ask him.
>>>>
>>>>I found this problem after the 2004 WCCC and he did not believed me as all he
>>>>did to the program was improving something. Yes, but by mistake he removed part
>>>>of the program.
>>>>So, the same version got 2nd at the 2004 WCCC and I really don't know how that
>>>>was possible...I guess a lot of luck.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Or maybe the bug wasn't quite as harmful as you think?  What you describe above
>>>sounds a like a problem with a recapture extension, not something that would
>>>reduce playing strength by 150 ELO.
>>
>>Well, it the program performs about 150 points elo less in matches I do not care
>>if it should not do this. The score are facts, what a bug can do or not it could
>>be a matter of opinions.
>>
>>I told you what Stefan told me when he found the problem. Previously I could
>>only see that it was playing a lot weaker in some positions, but could not
>>understand why.
>>
>>Sandro
>>
>
>I find it hard to believe that the best chess programmer in the world showed up
>at the 2004 WCCC with a bug so severe that it weakened his program by 150 ELO
>and he didn't even know about it.  Are you telling me that he entered this
>version of Shredder in the WCCC without doing any testing?

This bug could not be seen in blitz games so I was the only one to see it as I
only make tests at long time controls.

Well, this is how it went.

>
>Is it possible that there was some miscommunication between you and Stefan?
>Perhaps he would be willing to post an explanation here?

No, he never made such a mistake and could not believe to have made it until
evidence made him think otherwise.

>
>-Peter

Sandro




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